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10-30-2006, 12:40 PM
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Your choices are:
MS MX-5 (this is coming, I just don't believe it will be this year)
MS CX-7 (slight power bump, body parts, interior upgrade)
MS Mazda3 4-door
There won't be a legitimate MS RX-8 since the RX-8 already has the MS kit as a dealer option and no FI will come with this motor from the factory.
The 6 has such poor numbers (sales AND power) that it won't see much change, either.
If the Kabura (RX/MX-3) makes it into production, it might see a parallel MS version when it is introduced.
I'll be hitting the SEMA floor early tomorrow, so I'll post anything useful I discover.
10-30-2006, 12:51 PM
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I think there is one more possibility for the MS8, I agree with no factory FI, however, could they introduce an all aluminum with DI engine that makes ~270hp. It'll come with an agressive tune, the JDM RX-8 makes 250crank. DI *could* give a solution to emissions??? I dont know. Aluminum engine would shave 50-60pounds off, maybe Mazda could work harder for an extra 40pounds to make it a 100pounds weight saving. 270hp is enough for a 29xx pounds car.
Also give the RX-8 coilovers, underbody braces, bodykit, and call it the MS8, it wouldnt be too bad.
Just like the AWD system of the MS6, it will probably be an option for the next gen Mazda6. The new aluminum engine will make it into the next gen RX-8.
edit: The mazdaspeed line is good for experimenting with new technologies. Just like the Turbo 2.3L
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Also give the RX-8 coilovers, underbody braces, bodykit, and call it the MS8, it wouldnt be too bad.
Just like the AWD system of the MS6, it will probably be an option for the next gen Mazda6. The new aluminum engine will make it into the next gen RX-8.
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10-30-2006, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
Carlos said for complete true independant spark timing he would run what ever EMS he was using and let that control leading and then he'd run a megasquirt to just control trailing. so one wouldnt be indexed against the other. it wasnt trilin g15 degrees after the leading firing. it was leading when it was best to fire it for power and safety and trailing when it was best to fire it. trailing first in vacuum (he does this to get as close to 3 plug firing as he can with only 2 plugs) leading in boost. whats interesting is thats exactly how Mazda runs the firing in the Renesis- the leading and trailing are fired completly independant of each other for best power, fuel efficiency and emissions. Carlos has been doing it longer then there has been an rx-8
Can you clarify??...Ignition systems on rotaries have had independent firing (of Leading and Trailing Spark Plugs) as far back as Mazda have made rotaries...
10A,12A,13A,13B,20B, RENSIS..
10-30-2006, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Not for the new version. That is an M2 and its out of production.
http://www.mazda.co.jp/accessories/mazdaspeed/
10-30-2006, 01:06 PM
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Was there a 2007 RX-8 on view....in say Stormy Blue??
10-30-2006, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ASH8
Interesting ZOOM..
Can you clarify??...Ignition systems on rotaries have had independent firing (of Leading and Trailing Spark Plugs) as far back as Mazda have made rotaries...
10A,12A,13A,13B,20B, RENSIS..
Can you clarify??...Ignition systems on rotaries have had independent firing (of Leading and Trailing Spark Plugs) as far back as Mazda have made rotaries...
10A,12A,13A,13B,20B, RENSIS..
10-30-2006, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary crazy
but what is change its the order in wich they fire
Leading plugs fire first...then Trailing plugs fire next..thats their order of firing, the only "adjustable" is when......'timing'.....as far as a trailing plug firing twice to the leadings once...I would like to see that!
10-30-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Your choices are:
MS MX-5 (this is coming, I just don't believe it will be this year)
MS CX-7 (slight power bump, body parts, interior upgrade)
MS Mazda3 4-door
There won't be a legitimate MS RX-8 since the RX-8 already has the MS kit as a dealer option and no FI will come with this motor from the factory.
The 6 has such poor numbers (sales AND power) that it won't see much change, either.
If the Kabura (RX/MX-3) makes it into production, it might see a parallel MS version when it is introduced.
I'll be hitting the SEMA floor early tomorrow, so I'll post anything useful I discover.
I dunno about the MS6 Jeff. Reading the Mazda6 forums... owners are consistently breaking into the 13's with stock MS6. Weight... well yeah... it's a bit portly and needs more tire under it. You can cure some of this aftermarket... not a lot of room for more rubber, but cast-off RX-8 rims is one popular upgrade (18x7 -> 18x8) and AutoExe springs is another.
The poor sales numbers is a different story... but I look at it as getting a lot of car for the money. For the same price as a MS3, you can get an MS6... depending on your needs it may be the better deal (i.e. space, luxury and such).
Your comments about the MS8 and exisiting bodykit have crossed my mind before as well and do make me wonder if there really isn't a possiblity of a MS8 for the current gen RX-8...
10-30-2006, 01:52 PM
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The power of the 6 wanes as soon as you drive it for a few minutes.
People that live in hot climates (like me) find the car is always on the brink of throttle/timing/boost-cut.
If you do any digging, you find that Mazda supports the idea that the MS kit IS the MS RX-8.
Look at their marketing before it was even released to the public as a current model vehicle.
People that live in hot climates (like me) find the car is always on the brink of throttle/timing/boost-cut.
If you do any digging, you find that Mazda supports the idea that the MS kit IS the MS RX-8.
Look at their marketing before it was even released to the public as a current model vehicle.
10-30-2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Someone here on the forum has one and it isn't Cobb tuning! I can't tell who though until they spill the beans themseleves. It's coming!
I bought a Renesis exhaust flange so now I can finally build and test my header design. I'm so busy though that I have no idea when I'll get around to it but at least I'll have everything I need to do it.
I bought a Renesis exhaust flange so now I can finally build and test my header design. I'm so busy though that I have no idea when I'll get around to it but at least I'll have everything I need to do it.
). Most people who have been here awhile should be able to put the pieces together and take a guess at it.
10-30-2006, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
The power of the 6 wanes as soon as you drive it for a few minutes.
People that live in hot climates (like me) find the car is always on the brink of throttle/timing/boost-cut.
If you do any digging, you find that Mazda supports the idea that the MS kit IS the MS RX-8.
Look at their marketing before it was even released to the public as a current model vehicle.
People that live in hot climates (like me) find the car is always on the brink of throttle/timing/boost-cut.
If you do any digging, you find that Mazda supports the idea that the MS kit IS the MS RX-8.
Look at their marketing before it was even released to the public as a current model vehicle.
since the reflash there seems to generally be a concensus of no more powerloss issues. Even in hot weather... other than typical heat soak that you would even get with a FMIC.
Arizona, like California, has shitty gas. Sorry. For both the MS6 and the MS3 it's 93 octane or don't bother buy the car.
And even if you are still have significant heat soak issues with the stock TMIC, there are several solutions hitting the market... TMIC and FMIC. The initally numbers look VERY promising... and tuning isn't even available yet.
10-30-2006, 02:02 PM
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new mazda speed vehicle
everyone is mentioning a new mazda speed vehicle I hope its an rx8 but it could be anyhing. I was just looking at the models years, when the car 1st appeared and when the mazda speed verison came out.
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ES,LX,DS - before 2000
MP3 - 2001
MS - 2003
Miata
LS,Base,SE- before 2000
MS - 2004
Mazda 6
S,I - 2003
MS - 2006
Mazda 3
S,I - 2004
MS - 2007
Now the other models available for a MS edition ...
RX8
Base- 2004
Shinka - 2005
MX-5 miata
base,GT,T,club spec, sport - 2006
CX-7
GT,T,Sport - 2007
M5
Sport,T-2005
GT,2006
MPV, tribute, B-Series (yeah right)
Even though most people think it won't be a MS8 here are a few reasons why it might be and might not be.
The good news ....
based on model years it would be the right development and launch time for a MS8. The 3 and 6 both took 3 years to develop, while it may have taken 4 it would be the next in line. It would be a smart idea because nothing has really been done to boost sales and keep people from going to other cars in its class. I don't believe the shinka is really a deal breaker. Mazda has stated that it is going to put more $$$ into racing especially with the renesis motor. The renesis motor has created opportunities in places where the previous rotary motors were banned from competition in the racing sector. Certain restrictions are under review. Some people have said "i thought a redesign is scheduled in 2010, if you look a MS miata came out in 2004 and a redesign came out in 2006. This would be the same time as a MS8 for 2008 and a redesign for 2010. There was a SC RX8 developed by mazda, so things are in development.
The bad news .... mazda has already stated that a new rotary is coming soon while this is exciting, it is a lot of hype in the rotary motor area. Gas prices don't help the sports car genra. The MS6 and MS3 still get decent milage unlike our 8 that doesn't get great gas milage to start with. We already think that the new motor they speak might be the hydrogen/gas rotary hybrid. The hybrid is really just for publicity as i don't think most people have a hydrogen fill station around, but still great. The renesis has had a lot of recalls and reliablity issues to add FI it would just add to the problems. Mazdaspeed already offers accessories for this vehicle.
A MS MX5 would only be 2 years from start to mazdaspeed, although a lot of development can be taken from the miata explaining a short development time.
I would think that the CX-7 would just be to soon to let out a MS version, although this might be a valid option
why have a MS M5 when you have a MS3 and MS6 it just seems to close in models.
So I don't think I have pluses and minuses on both sides of each vehicle, only time will tell. the best options are mx5, rx8, cx7 in that order. It could accessories and not a full submodel then it would be the cx7.
Its my few cents don't know what you guys think but i figured i would add to the discussion.
Protege
ES,LX,DS - before 2000
MP3 - 2001
MS - 2003
Miata
LS,Base,SE- before 2000
MS - 2004
Mazda 6
S,I - 2003
MS - 2006
Mazda 3
S,I - 2004
MS - 2007
Now the other models available for a MS edition ...
RX8
Base- 2004
Shinka - 2005
MX-5 miata
base,GT,T,club spec, sport - 2006
CX-7
GT,T,Sport - 2007
M5
Sport,T-2005
GT,2006
MPV, tribute, B-Series (yeah right)
Even though most people think it won't be a MS8 here are a few reasons why it might be and might not be.
The good news ....
based on model years it would be the right development and launch time for a MS8. The 3 and 6 both took 3 years to develop, while it may have taken 4 it would be the next in line. It would be a smart idea because nothing has really been done to boost sales and keep people from going to other cars in its class. I don't believe the shinka is really a deal breaker. Mazda has stated that it is going to put more $$$ into racing especially with the renesis motor. The renesis motor has created opportunities in places where the previous rotary motors were banned from competition in the racing sector. Certain restrictions are under review. Some people have said "i thought a redesign is scheduled in 2010, if you look a MS miata came out in 2004 and a redesign came out in 2006. This would be the same time as a MS8 for 2008 and a redesign for 2010. There was a SC RX8 developed by mazda, so things are in development.
The bad news .... mazda has already stated that a new rotary is coming soon while this is exciting, it is a lot of hype in the rotary motor area. Gas prices don't help the sports car genra. The MS6 and MS3 still get decent milage unlike our 8 that doesn't get great gas milage to start with. We already think that the new motor they speak might be the hydrogen/gas rotary hybrid. The hybrid is really just for publicity as i don't think most people have a hydrogen fill station around, but still great. The renesis has had a lot of recalls and reliablity issues to add FI it would just add to the problems. Mazdaspeed already offers accessories for this vehicle.
A MS MX5 would only be 2 years from start to mazdaspeed, although a lot of development can be taken from the miata explaining a short development time.
I would think that the CX-7 would just be to soon to let out a MS version, although this might be a valid option
why have a MS M5 when you have a MS3 and MS6 it just seems to close in models.
So I don't think I have pluses and minuses on both sides of each vehicle, only time will tell. the best options are mx5, rx8, cx7 in that order. It could accessories and not a full submodel then it would be the cx7.
Its my few cents don't know what you guys think but i figured i would add to the discussion.
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10-30-2006, 02:16 PM
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my personal time line
the new rx-8 will be introduce one year after the new 350z, the 350 is goin to be a 2008 acording to the press, so the mazdaspeed rx-8 its due out right now since it will be a 2007 model, the new rx-8 will be in sale in 2008 as a 2009 model.
the mx-5 will get the ms treatment in 2008 or 2009
the new rx-8 will be introduce one year after the new 350z, the 350 is goin to be a 2008 acording to the press, so the mazdaspeed rx-8 its due out right now since it will be a 2007 model, the new rx-8 will be in sale in 2008 as a 2009 model.
the mx-5 will get the ms treatment in 2008 or 2009
10-30-2006, 02:37 PM
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What a great weekend for everyone involved. RG, it was good to meet you at the 2nd Tech seminar (thanks Charlie for the introduction)
10-30-2006, 02:55 PM
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RG, Ajax... how did you like the little trick I pulled on you!!! 
Thanks for making it out boys and making it very interesting; it's always a gas, or is that hydrogen!!!
-Bern
Thanks for making it out boys and making it very interesting; it's always a gas, or is that hydrogen!!!
-Bern
10-30-2006, 03:15 PM
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what about a MS 5 (not the Miata, but the little van/crossover)...that little blue 5 that was in the Rotory Head display section was nice...add a turbo and some additional appearance options and it would be the CX-7's little brother? A smaller, less expensive version of a CX-7?
10-30-2006, 04:36 PM
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SUV, mini vans, B-series DO NOT and WILL NOT get the mazdaspeed treatment period. I dont think Mazda is that crazy yet... I hope it never happens.
Next is either MX-5 or RX-8.
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