Notices
Series II Technical and Trouble shooting Discuss technical details for the Series II RX-8 and any issues or problems you are facing

Odd Sputter only on WOT (09 R3)

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Jun 15, 2021 | 10:03 PM
  #1  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Odd Sputter only on WOT (09 R3)

Hello All,
I have an odd sputter that I am trying to chase down-
When I floor the gas pedal (WOT) my rpms will sputter around 6 or 7k and not go above 7k.
However, when I am not flooring it I can go all the way through redline.

I'm almost leaning toward an injector (secondary) issue, since it will redline fine when not driving hard. Does this make sense? There's also NO issue with hot starting or anything else. It idles flawlessly as well.
I was also wondering if maybe it was the SSV not opening at the drop of a hat? It will ease open, but won't burst open.

I'm hoping one of the veterans here will have some insight on if I am going the right direction or not.

Thank you all in advance,
-Jon
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2021 | 10:48 PM
  #2  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
I should add that this did result in two separate misfires, throwing the P0302 code.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 06:23 AM
  #3  
wcs's Avatar
wcs
no agenda
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,210
Likes: 66
From: Ontario
You should post the Freeze Frame data from your ODBII reader, that information can provide some more insight to issues
(for example LTFT and STFT etc)

When was the last time you changed the spark plugs or the coils?
Have you tried the inspecting the spark plugs?

It would also be worth your time while you're inspecting the plugs to check and/or clean:
- ESS
- Maf
- Air filter

There's several great threads on this site to help you diagnose misfires.
I wouldn't be suspecting the SSV at this point, or the injectors.
Check the simple stuff first, especially as you've got a misfire code.

Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 08:33 AM
  #4  
DocWalt's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 275
Likes: 98
I agree, I'd look at plugs/coils/wires.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 08:56 AM
  #5  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Originally Posted by wcs
You should post the Freeze Frame data from your ODBII reader, that information can provide some more insight to issues
(for example LTFT and STFT etc)

When was the last time you changed the spark plugs or the coils?
Have you tried the inspecting the spark plugs?

It would also be worth your time while you're inspecting the plugs to check and/or clean:
- ESS
- Maf
- Air filter

There's several great threads on this site to help you diagnose misfires.
I wouldn't be suspecting the SSV at this point, or the injectors.
Check the simple stuff first, especially as you've got a misfire code.
Thank you for your reply!

The coils and wires are BHR so I don't think it is them, but I will put a timer on them and see.
Spark plugs are on my list and I'll check them tonight.
Wouldn't the other things happen at higher RPM even without the WOT? I figured WOT would be causing an air/fuel delivery issue, since it only happens then and not any other time.

I'll check it all anyway and post back when I have something.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 08:56 AM
  #6  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Originally Posted by DocWalt
I agree, I'd look at plugs/coils/wires.
I'll look, thank you!
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 09:19 AM
  #7  
wcs's Avatar
wcs
no agenda
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,210
Likes: 66
From: Ontario
Originally Posted by ddsneversummer
The coils and wires are BHR so I don't think it is them, but I will put a timer on them and see.
Wouldn't the other things happen at higher RPM even without the WOT? I figured WOT would be causing an air/fuel delivery issue, since it only happens then and not any other time.
I'll check it all anyway and post back when I have something.
Ok even the best coil in the world can fail, but specifically check that the ground wire to the BHR coils is in good condition and the grounding point is fastened tightly and no corrosion.

The other things may not occur without being under wide open throttle because the engine is not demanding that much fuel.
When the engine is under high load, high rpm, there is a lot of air flowing across the Maf and the ECU is going to be commanding a lot of fuel.
Almost always if you are experiencing misfires especially in the high load and high rpm's it's do to weak ignition.

It's not the same as revving the snot out of it parked in your driveway.


Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 09:26 AM
  #8  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Originally Posted by wcs
Ok even the best coil in the world can fail, but specifically check that the ground wire to the BHR coils is in good condition and the grounding point is fastened tightly and no corrosion.

The other things may not occur without being under wide open throttle because the engine is not demanding that much fuel.
When the engine is under high load, high rpm, there is a lot of air flowing across the Maf and the ECU is going to be commanding a lot of fuel.
Almost always if you are experiencing misfires especially in the high load and high rpm's it's do to weak ignition.

It's not the same as revving the snot out of it parked in your driveway.
Makes sense. I did have a BHR coil fail on my 04, so I know it can happen.
Thanks again for the knowledge! I'll post back my findings this evening.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 10:50 AM
  #9  
DocWalt's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 275
Likes: 98
Also recently had an unknown age BHR coil fail. Replaced and car is back to normal.
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2021 | 07:40 PM
  #10  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,936
Likes: 2,140
they fail as often as OE coils imo, but let the lemmings have their lore … :shocker:

Last edited by TeamRX8; Jun 16, 2021 at 07:44 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2021 | 12:44 PM
  #11  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
they fail as often as OE coils imo, but let the lemmings have their lore … :shocker:
You've been tracking for a while, right? What coils do you run?
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2021 | 04:47 AM
  #12  
alterego's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Jan 2021
Posts: 50
Likes: 7
From: pnw
Upon direction from Charles I ran an induction timing light on each spark plug wire while the car was running. On a cold engine my L2 rear leading coil had an inconsistent strobe but once fully warmed up it seemed fine.
Swapped all the coils out with oem and did the 20 brake stomp reset and now there is no sputter anywhere through the power band.

Here is a video of what I was experiencing when taking off from a cold start. It would do this above 7k-9k off and on at random until it became a constant misfire on my rear rotor.

Rumor has it that team runs a custom ign aem coil setup :P
Reply
Old Aug 9, 2021 | 07:39 PM
  #13  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
UPDATE/SOLVED
Sorry for the delay- as I was pulling out the air box and battery I got annoyed at how crammed the engine bay was with such a small engine so I relocated the battery (trunk) and fabricated my own intake (based on the AEM/MazdaSpeed).

To recap- I was having an issue with a sputter above 7k RPM. This only happened when I floored it, not if I 'lazily' accelerated. I wasn't getting an error at first; I had to ride it pretty hard in order to finally get a rotor 2 misfire.
For troubleshooting- I started with the ignition system as recommended. I swapped the Rotor 2 coils with the Rotor 1 coils, keeping everything else the same.
After swapping the coils, moving the battery and installing my fabri-cobbled intake I had the same sputter. I again 'rode it hard' to get another error, this one was now a misfire on Rotor 1 (which is what I was hoping for). I then swapped an extra coil in place of one of the ones presently mounted on Rotor 1- the idea here was that if the sputter still existed, it was almost certainly an issue with the other coil on that rotor.
Swapping in the extra coil solved the issue.

I hope this helps anybody else having a similar issue!
Reply
Old Aug 10, 2021 | 03:35 AM
  #14  
wcs's Avatar
wcs
no agenda
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,210
Likes: 66
From: Ontario
Thanks for the updates!
Updates are always appreciated.
Glad you figured it out
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2021 | 11:41 AM
  #15  
ddsneversummer's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 21
Likes: 3
From: ND
Originally Posted by wcs
Thanks for the updates!
Updates are always appreciated.
Glad you figured it out
Of course! I hate finding posts explaining the same issue I have but no resolution haha.

Plus it's almost impossible to find threads in the first place.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2021 | 02:20 PM
  #16  
Thrasher's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Seacoast NH
Installing Sakebom's remotely mounted 1GN-1A coil pack & harness solved all my ignition issues.
Reply
Old Nov 11, 2021 | 11:23 AM
  #17  
Scels12's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 12
Likes: 3
Solved yet?

Last edited by Scels12; May 24, 2022 at 09:54 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rotarynerdette
Gulf RX-8 Forum
55
Jan 31, 2010 08:05 AM
sytfu_Fe
RX-8 Multimedia/Photo Gallery
22
Jun 2, 2009 08:54 PM
imagine32000
RX-8 Discussion
5
Apr 4, 2009 07:19 PM
em1turbo
RX-8 Discussion
56
Feb 27, 2009 08:52 AM
Sonny
RX-8 Discussion
57
Nov 27, 2008 01:54 PM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:54 PM.