Clutch bracket?
03-15-2010, 10:35 AM
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Clutch bracket?
I know it's a pretty shoddy piece of workmanship on the Series I cars, but does it need fixing on the Series II?
Apologies if this has been definitively answered already. I just wanted to hear from someone who's worked on a II and knows what to look for.
Apologies if this has been definitively answered already. I just wanted to hear from someone who's worked on a II and knows what to look for.
03-15-2010, 02:01 PM
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The part has changed in series 2, I know that. I read in another post that it changed from a B to a C at the end or start of the part number. Most of the clutch failures I read about have been at 40k+ miles. I dont think theres any series 2 with that amount of miles yet so its hard to say if it will last or not. I am most likely going to get mine welded just in case, it cant hurt.
03-23-2010, 10:32 AM
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Installed the bracket on my 05' recently. It's very annoying to install, but after seeing how flimsy and weak the oem bracket was i'm glad i decided to have it on there!
If it's anything like the series I i highly recommend getting the bracket vs spot welding it.
If it's anything like the series I i highly recommend getting the bracket vs spot welding it.
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03-23-2010, 11:30 AM
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03-24-2010, 02:04 PM
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"Trust" has nothing to do with it. The dozens of people whom have either purchased the welding service from BHR or followed my advice on the welding, itself, have never had any issues afterward (except when the welding was not done properly).
I really don't care if people use a bolt-on bracket, weld it themselves, or have a professional do it. In any event, some sort of reinforcement is strongly advised.
I really don't care if people use a bolt-on bracket, weld it themselves, or have a professional do it. In any event, some sort of reinforcement is strongly advised.
03-24-2010, 02:21 PM
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Why you would not trust the proper fix when done correctly that fixes the root cause is beyond me.
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03-25-2010, 10:51 AM
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I don't understand the reason for being bashed here. I was expressing my personal opinion on the issue. After seeing how easy it was to bend the bracket in several areas after removing it, I feel that the reinforcement bracket is a much better option. Some may see it as overkill, but i can rest easy knowing it isn't going to break or bend again on me.
03-25-2010, 04:59 PM
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Nobody is "bashing" anyone. You expressed your opinion, and I expressed mine. Given that I was the one who originally discovered the issue and developed a rather simple and effective solution (and one that you can have done locally for only a few dollars), a solution that has yet to fail when done properly, I felt like getting in on the discussion. Please also consider how many people have taken my advice and been satisfied with the results. Might you agree that experience plays a role in deciding which approach may be more valid?
Besides, as I stated earlier, I really don't care WHICH approach people take. I just hope they do something for themselves so as to save their transmissions.
Besides, as I stated earlier, I really don't care WHICH approach people take. I just hope they do something for themselves so as to save their transmissions.
09-07-2010, 11:38 PM
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This makes no sense. The root of the problem is the bracket has been spot welded, poor design. The problem is the brackets are breaking off at the weld, not the bracket snapping because it's not thick enough. Doing a full seam or even just stitch welds on it reinforces it properly and will not break unless you don't know how to weld or what you're doing.
Why you would not trust the proper fix when done correctly that fixes the root cause is beyond me.
Why you would not trust the proper fix when done correctly that fixes the root cause is beyond me.
This was discussed to death...
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/clutch-pedal-snap-off-8-year-warranty-recall-%7E%7E%7E-132912/page37/
see photos here
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=921
09-08-2010, 08:12 AM
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That is the key point, I had a reputable shop call me the other day saying I shipped the wrong sway bars and that they were the wrong sizes. They then continued to tell me it was no way it was going to be installed.
I then proceeded to tell them they had mixed the bars up and were backwards. I then emailed them installation instructions.
Go figure.
The thing is with anything is will it get done properly the first time? We cannot vouch for every "welder" out there that has shop on the local corner and can do it properly. I have seen excellent welding and then I have seen **** poor welding with pedals that have snapped.
Options are options and simply that, just need to make sure it is done right either route you take
Revision C is still the same pedal. If you are going to get it welded make sure it is done right. I had a customer pay $100 for a welding job that his ended up snapping on him again 4 months later.
I then proceeded to tell them they had mixed the bars up and were backwards. I then emailed them installation instructions.
Go figure.
The thing is with anything is will it get done properly the first time? We cannot vouch for every "welder" out there that has shop on the local corner and can do it properly. I have seen excellent welding and then I have seen **** poor welding with pedals that have snapped.
Options are options and simply that, just need to make sure it is done right either route you take
The part has changed in series 2, I know that. I read in another post that it changed from a B to a C at the end or start of the part number. Most of the clutch failures I read about have been at 40k+ miles. I dont think theres any series 2 with that amount of miles yet so its hard to say if it will last or not. I am most likely going to get mine welded just in case, it cant hurt.
09-08-2010, 08:23 AM
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It's too early to tell if welding the pedal will be reliable.
The first clutch pedal issues I found in a search were around 2007 and seems to have started with aftermarket clutch users. Makes sense, yes?
The first welded brackets have probably not seen enough use to really know for sure.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...h+pedal+broken
This references other posts and another forum
The first clutch pedal issues I found in a search were around 2007 and seems to have started with aftermarket clutch users. Makes sense, yes?
The first welded brackets have probably not seen enough use to really know for sure.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...h+pedal+broken
This references other posts and another forum
Last edited by DarkBrew; 09-08-2010 at 08:42 AM.
09-08-2010, 10:24 AM
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That is the key point, I had a reputable shop call me the other day saying I shipped the wrong sway bars and that they were the wrong sizes. They then continued to tell me it was no way it was going to be installed.
I then proceeded to tell them they had mixed the bars up and were backwards. I then emailed them installation instructions.
Go figure.
The thing is with anything is will it get done properly the first time? We cannot vouch for every "welder" out there that has shop on the local corner and can do it properly. I have seen excellent welding and then I have seen **** poor welding with pedals that have snapped.
Options are options and simply that, just need to make sure it is done right either route you take
Revision C is still the same pedal. If you are going to get it welded make sure it is done right. I had a customer pay $100 for a welding job that his ended up snapping on him again 4 months later.
I then proceeded to tell them they had mixed the bars up and were backwards. I then emailed them installation instructions.
Go figure.
The thing is with anything is will it get done properly the first time? We cannot vouch for every "welder" out there that has shop on the local corner and can do it properly. I have seen excellent welding and then I have seen **** poor welding with pedals that have snapped.
Options are options and simply that, just need to make sure it is done right either route you take
Revision C is still the same pedal. If you are going to get it welded make sure it is done right. I had a customer pay $100 for a welding job that his ended up snapping on him again 4 months later.
09-08-2010, 10:28 AM
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No, it isn't too early. I have been welding them and suggesting the welding for two years without further failure on part of those properly welded pedal assemblies. A "proeprly-welded" pedal assembly is one that is welded BEFORE the damage occurs. The self-annointed engineers and brainiacs around here can argue all about the physics, mechanics, and design (and I will agree with them on those matters) but the simple fact is that my suggestion, for some strange reason, works. Add to it Race Roots bracket and you have one pretty solid pedal.
09-08-2010, 10:54 AM
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No, it isn't too early. I have been welding them and suggesting the welding for two years without further failure on part of those properly welded pedal assemblies. A "proeprly-welded" pedal assembly is one that is welded BEFORE the damage occurs. The self-annointed engineers and brainiacs around here can argue all about the physics, mechanics, and design (and I will agree with them on those matters) but the simple fact is that my suggestion, for some strange reason, works. Add to it Race Roots bracket and you have one pretty solid pedal.
I was lucky and had the clutch pedal replaced for what turned out to be a squeaky switch (awesome Mazda Tech troubleshooting).
The reinforcement bracket adds enough stability to be a great mod even without the bracket failure issue.
Those welding their own pedals and not using the bracket would be wise to add metal to the two upper bolt hole areas and up into the structure where the typical metal fatigue cracks occur.
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11-11-2010, 01:44 PM
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11-11-2010, 08:53 PM
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11-11-2010, 09:55 PM
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I do know WCS and he keeps threatening to drag me up to install his. When I get to touch it I promise I will send you my impressions.
BTW, I'm looking forward to an ignition upgrade in the spring!
11-12-2010, 08:46 AM
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11-12-2010, 09:37 AM
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What I find fascinating about all this clutch pedal talk is that the welding process is a rather inexpensive preventive measure, yet people still wonder if they should bother with it. Welding and Race Roots' bracket, combined, is said by those who use the combo to be a pretty solid set-up.
11-12-2010, 10:15 AM
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SilverEight posted a couple photos of properly-welded clutch pedals on "Rotary4Life.com". One was his own and the other was a BHR version.
What I find fascinating about all this clutch pedal talk is that the welding process is a rather inexpensive preventive measure, yet people still wonder if they should bother with it. Welding and Race Roots' bracket, combined, is said by those who use the combo to be a pretty solid set-up.
What I find fascinating about all this clutch pedal talk is that the welding process is a rather inexpensive preventive measure, yet people still wonder if they should bother with it. Welding and Race Roots' bracket, combined, is said by those who use the combo to be a pretty solid set-up.