Two Piece Brake Rotors...
09-04-2004, 01:32 PM
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I will be eager to see your car with the MS body kit. My car has the Mazda accessory spoiler as well and I have not seen a MS Body kit with the Mazda spoiler.. only with the MS spoiler.
My next purchase will probably be brakes though since I am going out to WSIR on the 12th
I already pounded them at CA Speedway and quite honestly, I am surprised they lasted this long...
I was hoping to get the front/rear body kit next, but my brakes purchase will probably have to come next...
still deciding between the Brembos and Stop Tech though... Rrrr.. We'll see..
My next purchase will probably be brakes though since I am going out to WSIR on the 12th
I already pounded them at CA Speedway and quite honestly, I am surprised they lasted this long...
I was hoping to get the front/rear body kit next, but my brakes purchase will probably have to come next...
still deciding between the Brembos and Stop Tech though... Rrrr.. We'll see..
09-04-2004, 02:01 PM
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I will upload pics when my car is ready, they are going to install the MS Body kit on thursday.... I tell you dude, brembo is superior.... I race car and talked to the guys that were using Stop Tech in American Le Mans series, very good brakes, but they told me they use them because of sponsorship. If they had the choice they would choose either brembo or AP. For sure Brembo is more expensive, but you are buying BRAKES! I think the difference (around $700) is worth it, you won't regret it.
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09-04-2004, 03:08 PM
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Lschiavo,
How much did you pay for those? And where did you buy them?
Is that the Sport package, or the GT package?
How much did you pay for those? And where did you buy them?
Is that the Sport package, or the GT package?
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09-04-2004, 04:36 PM
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I paid $2,500 for them.They are the GT package. I bought them from speedware motorsports in Seattle.
If you decide to buy them I will give you a contact number. He shipped it to me here in Canada. No kits for the rear i think, not sure. However if you got the frot kit you dont need anything else.
If you decide to buy them I will give you a contact number. He shipped it to me here in Canada. No kits for the rear i think, not sure. However if you got the frot kit you dont need anything else.
09-05-2004, 11:49 PM
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Brembo is a reputable brake company. A friend showed me his rotors on his FD. Un-beatable performance, mind you. However, Brembo isn't the greatest, no matter how good its performance, predigree, etc. is. I wish I could say which the best, but that would be biased.
What are the design parameters for a good two-piece rotor?
What are the design parameters for a good two-piece rotor?
09-06-2004, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by shelleys_man_06
Brembo is a reputable brake company. A friend showed me his rotors on his FD. Un-beatable performance, mind you. However, Brembo isn't the greatest, no matter how good its performance, predigree, etc. is. I wish I could say which the best, but that would be biased.
What are the design parameters for a good two-piece rotor?
What are the design parameters for a good two-piece rotor?
saying brembo makes "the best" brakes is like saying, oh i dunno, armani makes "the best" suits. there are other suit makers in the non-couture world which have styles which are just as fashionable with tailors making equitable quality at a price on par, etc etc.
considering that for a very very long time the braking system's ability to stop the wheels of a car from turning have outstripped a tyre's ability to stop a car, it's just retarded that people will still believe that swapping in a "big brake" kit will help their car stop faster (outside of a sustained maximum-effort competition).
very excellent quality brake rotors and calipers are made by companies other than brembo, but then you don't get their name on your caliper
anyways, aside from all that you want a really good and meaty disc, with an aluminum alloy hat (where all your weight savings and non-rusting aspects come into play). radially vented (just as any modern brake disc) is all you want, forget that cross drilling and "power slotted" nonsense, it's brake system rice.
09-06-2004, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wakeech
...a foreword, just in case it's not apparent, this is me agreeing with you
saying brembo makes "the best" brakes is like saying, oh i dunno, armani makes "the best" suits. there are other suit makers in the non-couture world which have styles which are just as fashionable with tailors making equitable quality at a price on par, etc etc.
considering that for a very very long time the braking system's ability to stop the wheels of a car from turning have outstripped a tyre's ability to stop a car, it's just retarded that people will still believe that swapping in a "big brake" kit will help their car stop faster (outside of a sustained maximum-effort competition).
very excellent quality brake rotors and calipers are made by companies other than brembo, but then you don't get their name on your caliper
anyways, aside from all that you want a really good and meaty disc, with an aluminum alloy hat (where all your weight savings and non-rusting aspects come into play). radially vented (just as any modern brake disc) is all you want, forget that cross drilling and "power slotted" nonsense, it's brake system rice.
saying brembo makes "the best" brakes is like saying, oh i dunno, armani makes "the best" suits. there are other suit makers in the non-couture world which have styles which are just as fashionable with tailors making equitable quality at a price on par, etc etc.
considering that for a very very long time the braking system's ability to stop the wheels of a car from turning have outstripped a tyre's ability to stop a car, it's just retarded that people will still believe that swapping in a "big brake" kit will help their car stop faster (outside of a sustained maximum-effort competition).
very excellent quality brake rotors and calipers are made by companies other than brembo, but then you don't get their name on your caliper
anyways, aside from all that you want a really good and meaty disc, with an aluminum alloy hat (where all your weight savings and non-rusting aspects come into play). radially vented (just as any modern brake disc) is all you want, forget that cross drilling and "power slotted" nonsense, it's brake system rice.
As for weight savings it is a very effective place to save it. I saved a lot more on the calipers than the rotor: 10 lbs. vs 3llbs. 13 lbs. of unsprung weight per wheel can definately be felt through the steering wheel. If you thought your steering was sharp before!
Drilling is a detriment as it takes mass away from your heat sink and weakens the rotor. My understanding about slotting is that it keeps your pad surface from glazing. Maybe BS but it doesn't hurt like drilling does.
I like mine, now if i can just get my flywheel put on...
09-06-2004, 10:08 PM
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Performance effect
Just curious if anyone determine what kind of performance improvement you get with all these weight savings (e.g. lightweight flywheel, 2-piece brakes, lightweight rims, etc.)
Not doubting they have an effect, just wondering if its been quantified.
Not doubting they have an effect, just wondering if its been quantified.
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09-07-2004, 08:06 AM
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Magic8,
I've posed the same question with no one offering any concrete numbers. SO - before I install my MS flywheel and my 17.6# MS rims, I'm going to get a G-Tech accelerometer so I can do some before and after comparisons. I'm not certain of the absolute accuracy of those devices, but I'll bet they are pretty good for A-to-B comparisons on the same vehicle.
As far as the effects of 2-piece rotors, I'm not planning on ordering any so their effect won't be in my numbers. I seriously doubt they would have any measureable effect on the acceleration performance. Their effect would more likely be felt in the ability of the wheel to keep contact on the road over rough surfaces. That's the effect of reducing the "unsprung" weight. Of course, every pound counts - so if you keep adding up the smallest weight reductions, eventually you will have a measureable increase in acceleration performance!
In addition to reducing the unsprung weight, I think the aluminum hats on the two piece rotors also provide a heat sink.
I've posed the same question with no one offering any concrete numbers. SO - before I install my MS flywheel and my 17.6# MS rims, I'm going to get a G-Tech accelerometer so I can do some before and after comparisons. I'm not certain of the absolute accuracy of those devices, but I'll bet they are pretty good for A-to-B comparisons on the same vehicle.
As far as the effects of 2-piece rotors, I'm not planning on ordering any so their effect won't be in my numbers. I seriously doubt they would have any measureable effect on the acceleration performance. Their effect would more likely be felt in the ability of the wheel to keep contact on the road over rough surfaces. That's the effect of reducing the "unsprung" weight. Of course, every pound counts - so if you keep adding up the smallest weight reductions, eventually you will have a measureable increase in acceleration performance!
In addition to reducing the unsprung weight, I think the aluminum hats on the two piece rotors also provide a heat sink.
02-04-2005, 01:10 PM
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Ok, just ordered the Project Mu rotors (Front & Rear) to go with my new HRE wheels; they are in stock in California so I will have them next week...
Will install and post some pics...
Will install and post some pics...
02-04-2005, 01:45 PM
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Hopup racing, they are pretty cool; I have bought from them before... They have them in stock so they will ship today... You can call and ask for Steve...
http://www.hopupracing.com/index.html
http://www.hopupracing.com/index.html
02-04-2005, 02:35 PM
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I finally went with the drilled/slotted had this setup on my Porsche and Mustang and liked it so it is going to be lighter than I originally thought... Probably 2-3 pounds per corner...
The price delivered is U$1,400.00; size is same as stock (Big enough...)
The price delivered is U$1,400.00; size is same as stock (Big enough...)
02-04-2005, 02:50 PM
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cool, thanks.
some people when it comes to brakes they say "the bigger the better"...
I'll definately go for an Endless brake kit. The caliper they have weighs only 2.6kg(!)
It fits with rotors max 326mm (almost same as stock). I wonder if its worth a few more $$ to move up to the 350mm range...
some people when it comes to brakes they say "the bigger the better"...
I'll definately go for an Endless brake kit. The caliper they have weighs only 2.6kg(!)
It fits with rotors max 326mm (almost same as stock). I wonder if its worth a few more $$ to move up to the 350mm range...
