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11-26-2006, 09:19 PM
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Aw phooey on all of ye. 
My 8 is a daily driver that I use for weekend fun in autox and at the track. Am I the fastest on either grid? No. Do I give a rip? Not really. I'm out there for the fun and the seat time.
Right now the only suspension mod I have is the Tokicos, and I've been furiously patting myself on the back for getting them. Originally I got them just for better stability at higher track speeds, but I found they do a great job of flattening out the turns as well. Full stiff in front and -1 in back do best, in my experience.
I may be in the market for Agency Power sways next season. The adjustability is the major draw there.
My 8 is a daily driver that I use for weekend fun in autox and at the track. Am I the fastest on either grid? No. Do I give a rip? Not really. I'm out there for the fun and the seat time.
Right now the only suspension mod I have is the Tokicos, and I've been furiously patting myself on the back for getting them. Originally I got them just for better stability at higher track speeds, but I found they do a great job of flattening out the turns as well. Full stiff in front and -1 in back do best, in my experience.
I may be in the market for Agency Power sways next season. The adjustability is the major draw there.
11-26-2006, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scsi
"the best way to go faster is to tighten the nut behind the wheel"
"if it feels like you're on rails, you aren't driving fast enough"
driving skill is the most important thing, but that is not what he asked. hes looking for opinions on some products, not for someone to question his driving capabilities.
"if it feels like you're on rails, you aren't driving fast enough"
driving skill is the most important thing, but that is not what he asked. hes looking for opinions on some products, not for someone to question his driving capabilities.
11-27-2006, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
Plain out sucks, how does that sound? Without a driver that can uncover the full potential of the product, it doesn't matter what you have as you wont be able to use the product fully.
Properly implemented sway bars will improve the handling of any car, regardless of the stiffness of the suspension, granted to varying degrees. Even someone with relatively little driving experience will be able to tell the difference between a stock setup and a properly modified suspension. You don't have to be a racecar driver to want to improve your car's handing ability.
It sounds like you had some bad experiences trying to modify the suspension on some of your previous cars, but don't make the assumption that other people are going to make the same mistake(s) you did... they're probably asking questions here to avoid that, so instead of being a dick and asking if they've ever been to "the track" (like attending a single driving school makes you an expert on anything
), and unnecessarily questioning the driving ability of internet strangers, why don't you just stick to the topic and give a humble opinion towards what swaybars might work best for the usage he explained in his post. Just a thought. 
Ok, now that that's out of the way, here's my situation, everyone.. Just signed up to the forum, will very likely be purchasing an RX-8 in the next week strictly for street usage, so I decided to do some research on what mods I may possibly do. I likely won't do more than stiffen the chassis with strut/shock tower braces, sway bars, invest in a few brake components, and eventually maybe buy some lightweight rims.
That said, I'm curious on if anyone has any other opinions on if the price differences in some of the aftermarket swaybars available for the RX-8 are justified by increased performance/adjustability. Any information is appreciated!
11-27-2006, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
Plain out sucks, how does that sound? Without a driver that can uncover the full potential of the product, it doesn't matter what you have as you wont be able to use the product fully.
he can buy what ever he wants, its his car not yours.
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11-27-2006, 05:23 AM
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ok guys... i have experience.... maybe not as much as some of you but i am looking to alter that... now i realize i have to decide what class that i am looking to run in but i am interested what coilovers/springs and shocks, and sway bar combo i should use... the stock car is ok but it has a ton of body role and i have driven with the tanabe sways and it seems to produce a lot of understeer... so i am wondering what everyone else has had success with, and what they would recommend...
i am not sure why this topic has gotten nastey and why peopel assume i have no experience.... i am a person who is askign for peoples opinion on products that i have not used before... and i am looking not to waste money in areas that people have experience with
i am not sure why this topic has gotten nastey and why peopel assume i have no experience.... i am a person who is askign for peoples opinion on products that i have not used before... and i am looking not to waste money in areas that people have experience with
11-27-2006, 07:09 AM
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Not always, suspension comes in a form of black art. Not all modifcations are actually good. If you live on a bumpy road, you will end up bouncing the car everywhere. Most places in the snow belt (with the exception of Colorado) will not be a good place for a heavy setup due to the roads. Another thing, "feeling fast" doesn't mean it is actually fast. There is a drawback to everything, there is no such thing as the "perfect" mod.
I have driven enough cars with stock and modified suspension. I would drive a stock setup anyday due to their ease to drive (on most cars anyway), an overstiff setup can be very dangerous on the track for a novice. I have seen quite a few novices that got totalled due to that.
For autox, a stiff rear setup can easily lift your wheels, causing you to lose traction if you don't have a LSD.
To sum it up, sway bars are not the answers to everything. Sometimes they help, sometimes it doesn't.
I have driven enough cars with stock and modified suspension. I would drive a stock setup anyday due to their ease to drive (on most cars anyway), an overstiff setup can be very dangerous on the track for a novice. I have seen quite a few novices that got totalled due to that.
For autox, a stiff rear setup can easily lift your wheels, causing you to lose traction if you don't have a LSD.
To sum it up, sway bars are not the answers to everything. Sometimes they help, sometimes it doesn't.
Originally Posted by surgictube
Properly implemented sway bars will improve the handling of any car, regardless of the stiffness of the suspension, granted to varying degrees. Even someone with relatively little driving experience will be able to tell the difference between a stock setup and a properly modified suspension. You don't have to be a racecar driver to want to improve your car's handing ability.
It sounds like you had some bad experiences trying to modify the suspension on some of your previous cars, but don't make the assumption that other people are going to make the same mistake(s) you did... they're probably asking questions here to avoid that, so instead of being a dick and asking if they've ever been to "the track" (like attending a single driving school makes you an expert on anything ), and unnecessarily questioning the driving ability of internet strangers, why don't you just stick to the topic and give a humble opinion towards what swaybars might work best for the usage he explained in his post. Just a thought.
Ok, now that that's out of the way, here's my situation, everyone.. Just signed up to the forum, will very likely be purchasing an RX-8 in the next week strictly for street usage, so I decided to do some research on what mods I may possibly do. I likely won't do more than stiffen the chassis with strut/shock tower braces, sway bars, invest in a few brake components, and eventually maybe buy some lightweight rims.
That said, I'm curious on if anyone has any other opinions on if the price differences in some of the aftermarket swaybars available for the RX-8 are justified by increased performance/adjustability. Any information is appreciated!
It sounds like you had some bad experiences trying to modify the suspension on some of your previous cars, but don't make the assumption that other people are going to make the same mistake(s) you did... they're probably asking questions here to avoid that, so instead of being a dick and asking if they've ever been to "the track" (like attending a single driving school makes you an expert on anything
), and unnecessarily questioning the driving ability of internet strangers, why don't you just stick to the topic and give a humble opinion towards what swaybars might work best for the usage he explained in his post. Just a thought. Ok, now that that's out of the way, here's my situation, everyone.. Just signed up to the forum, will very likely be purchasing an RX-8 in the next week strictly for street usage, so I decided to do some research on what mods I may possibly do. I likely won't do more than stiffen the chassis with strut/shock tower braces, sway bars, invest in a few brake components, and eventually maybe buy some lightweight rims.
That said, I'm curious on if anyone has any other opinions on if the price differences in some of the aftermarket swaybars available for the RX-8 are justified by increased performance/adjustability. Any information is appreciated!
11-27-2006, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
Not always, suspension comes in a form of black art. Not all modifcations are actually good. If you live on a bumpy road, you will end up bouncing the car everywhere. Most places in the snow belt (with the exception of Colorado) will not be a good place for a heavy setup due to the roads. Another thing, "feeling fast" doesn't mean it is actually fast. There is a drawback to everything, there is no such thing as the "perfect" mod.
I have driven enough cars with stock and modified suspension. I would drive a stock setup anyday due to their ease to drive (on most cars anyway), an overstiff setup can be very dangerous on the track for a novice. I have seen quite a few novices that got totalled due to that.
For autox, a stiff rear setup can easily lift your wheels, causing you to lose traction if you don't have a LSD.
To sum it up, sway bars are not the answers to everything. Sometimes they help, sometimes it doesn't.
I have driven enough cars with stock and modified suspension. I would drive a stock setup anyday due to their ease to drive (on most cars anyway), an overstiff setup can be very dangerous on the track for a novice. I have seen quite a few novices that got totalled due to that.
For autox, a stiff rear setup can easily lift your wheels, causing you to lose traction if you don't have a LSD.
To sum it up, sway bars are not the answers to everything. Sometimes they help, sometimes it doesn't.
experience with THIS CAR
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Experience.....
I have talked with James in person....and he is not an idiot or a novice...
So get off your soapbox...get your head out of your A** and find someone/somewhere else to pontificate on with your knowledge base.
You obviously think the stock suspension is the best for you....we get that.......now move on!
Thanks for your concern
11-27-2006, 11:20 AM
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thanks dan.... i live in tampa florida where its sunny 360 days of the year and the roads are pretty good... with that aside... what is the best set up for road racing and some auto xing... it is a daily driver but i dotn mind the suspension being stiff... its 15 miles to work and back... so please give me some input... the zeals are a no go? i know dan you mentioned the koni's but i think you said they were like 4g's when we talked in person right? lol.... please can i have some input... the agency bars seem to the best bang for the buck am i wrong?
11-27-2006, 11:32 AM
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I don't know much about the Zeals...one of my friends has them on his car and he likes them??
I have RB sways...front and rear. I think most sway setups come fairly well balanced from the manufacturers. When I bought them there weren't many options. Ithink the Agency power or the Whiteline adjustables would be a good choice.....
I have been running the JIC coilovers...also one of the only things available for the car when I got them.....I've been happy with them. Despite what some have said...I have had good luck with JIC USA's customer service.
I think that there are a lot of good choices out there right now....
I think I might buy the KW Var 3's if i was doing it again...I had good luck with them on an Audi in the past.
I have RB sways...front and rear. I think most sway setups come fairly well balanced from the manufacturers. When I bought them there weren't many options. Ithink the Agency power or the Whiteline adjustables would be a good choice.....
I have been running the JIC coilovers...also one of the only things available for the car when I got them.....I've been happy with them. Despite what some have said...I have had good luck with JIC USA's customer service.
I think that there are a lot of good choices out there right now....
I think I might buy the KW Var 3's if i was doing it again...I had good luck with them on an Audi in the past.
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11-27-2006, 12:05 PM
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dan you are reffering to these http://www.kw-suspension.com/en/30_P...pe=all&zeile=1
??? are the specs for the coilover and the car competitive
??? are the specs for the coilover and the car competitive
11-27-2006, 12:33 PM
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Not sure what competitive means 
The springrate is stiff for the street...but not horrible...and they are three way adjustable with remote reservoirs. All in I think they would be good bang for the buck??
I don't know anyone that has them on an 8 though...they can be customized to pretty much anything by the factory...all you really need is an idea of what you want.
The stock stuff for Subi's is really nicely setup. One of my friends has a 2way set on an STI and really loves them. The three ways will give you more than enough adjustments to drive you crazy
The springrate is stiff for the street...but not horrible...and they are three way adjustable with remote reservoirs. All in I think they would be good bang for the buck??I don't know anyone that has them on an 8 though...they can be customized to pretty much anything by the factory...all you really need is an idea of what you want.
The stock stuff for Subi's is really nicely setup. One of my friends has a 2way set on an STI and really loves them. The three ways will give you more than enough adjustments to drive you crazy
11-27-2006, 07:59 PM
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This coming from someone who doesn't have the suspension or had them on any cars? hahaha
Originally Posted by dannobre
Let's get away from your Personal opinions not based on:
experience with THIS CAR
experience with Products for this CAR
Experience.....
I have talked with James in person....and he is not an idiot or a novice...
So get off your soapbox...get your head out of your A** and find someone/somewhere else to pontificate on with your knowledge base.
You obviously think the stock suspension is the best for you....we get that.......now move on!
Thanks for your concern
experience with THIS CAR
experience with Products for this CAR
Experience.....
I have talked with James in person....and he is not an idiot or a novice...
So get off your soapbox...get your head out of your A** and find someone/somewhere else to pontificate on with your knowledge base.
You obviously think the stock suspension is the best for you....we get that.......now move on!
Thanks for your concern
11-27-2006, 08:16 PM
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Did you see me saying anything at all specifically about the Zeals.....DUH
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
11-27-2006, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Did you see me saying anything at all specifically about the Zeals.....DUH
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
like the slosh plate idea.
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11-27-2006, 08:30 PM
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so guys what spring rate am i looking for... i have info on a ton of these coilovers... and i am not worried about the ride of the car on the street cause myself and the girl (mazsportmantis) love a sporty ride and want to race more and often.... this is what i found
Zeal Function xs
For the next generation street user, we’ve developed the Function-Xs Series. The Function-Xs is now born and is currently the most popular street application in Japan. With advanced damping capabilities in effect, our efforts have recently focused towards our new “X-Coil Hyper Spring”. Through consistent and progressive research and experience, we’ve improved spring quality to achieve an even smoother and more responsive feel and ride. The ability to grasp precise road data has improved. The X-Coil spring achieves exactly this. Our Dynamometer Data proves this with stable rebound and compression levels (within a 0.1 Meter Per Second range) for level travel at very low speeds, very high speeds, and everything in between. By keeping very detailed, precision spring motion in mind, we are able to set the shock’s piston valving to superior levels. The combination of the shock and spring is superior. Our Linear Spring Motion with no Friction Loss is superior and the shock can be adjusted precisely (Function-Xs includes 6-Way Damping Adjustability). Lightweight aluminum upper mounts, spring seat preload and spring seat lock, height-adjustable lower brackets and lock seats (for non-strut type applications) include a durable, Alumite finish for rust proof characteristics. Steel shell casing includes a special chromate plating for rust proof characteristics also. Adjustable brackets are newly designed and slender. Driving feel is amazing for the street-user. MacPherson Strut-Type are specifically systems are produced as an inverted-monotube type.
Zeal Function x
For the next generation hard user, we’ve developed the Function-X Series. The Function-X is now born. With advanced damping capabilities in effect, our efforts have recently focused towards our new “X-Coil Hyper Spring”. Through consistent and progressive research and experience, we’ve improved spring quality to achieve an even smoother and more responsive feel and ride. The ability to grasp precise road data has improved. The X-Coil spring achieves exactly this. Our Dynamometer Data proves this with stable rebound and compression levels (within a 0.1 Meter Per Second range) for level travel at very low speeds, very high speeds, and everything in between. By keeping very detailed, precision spring motion in mind, we are able to set the shock’s piston valving to superior levels. The combination of the shock and spring is superior. Our Linear Spring Motion with no Friction Loss is superior and the shock can be adjusted very precisely (Function-X includes 30-Way Damping Adjustability), thus the setting levels have broadened and can be fine-tuned with advanced precision and feel. Lightweight aluminum upper mounts, spring seat preload and spring seat locks, height-adjustable lower brackets and lock seats (for non-strut type applications) include a durable, Alumite finish for rust proof characteristics. Steel shell casing includes a special chromate plating for rust proof characteristics also. Adjustable brackets are newly designed and slender. Driving feel is amazing for the hard-user. MacPherson Strut-Type systems are specifically produced as an inverted-monotube type.
Zeal Function xs
For the next generation street user, we’ve developed the Function-Xs Series. The Function-Xs is now born and is currently the most popular street application in Japan. With advanced damping capabilities in effect, our efforts have recently focused towards our new “X-Coil Hyper Spring”. Through consistent and progressive research and experience, we’ve improved spring quality to achieve an even smoother and more responsive feel and ride. The ability to grasp precise road data has improved. The X-Coil spring achieves exactly this. Our Dynamometer Data proves this with stable rebound and compression levels (within a 0.1 Meter Per Second range) for level travel at very low speeds, very high speeds, and everything in between. By keeping very detailed, precision spring motion in mind, we are able to set the shock’s piston valving to superior levels. The combination of the shock and spring is superior. Our Linear Spring Motion with no Friction Loss is superior and the shock can be adjusted precisely (Function-Xs includes 6-Way Damping Adjustability). Lightweight aluminum upper mounts, spring seat preload and spring seat lock, height-adjustable lower brackets and lock seats (for non-strut type applications) include a durable, Alumite finish for rust proof characteristics. Steel shell casing includes a special chromate plating for rust proof characteristics also. Adjustable brackets are newly designed and slender. Driving feel is amazing for the street-user. MacPherson Strut-Type are specifically systems are produced as an inverted-monotube type.
Zeal Function x
For the next generation hard user, we’ve developed the Function-X Series. The Function-X is now born. With advanced damping capabilities in effect, our efforts have recently focused towards our new “X-Coil Hyper Spring”. Through consistent and progressive research and experience, we’ve improved spring quality to achieve an even smoother and more responsive feel and ride. The ability to grasp precise road data has improved. The X-Coil spring achieves exactly this. Our Dynamometer Data proves this with stable rebound and compression levels (within a 0.1 Meter Per Second range) for level travel at very low speeds, very high speeds, and everything in between. By keeping very detailed, precision spring motion in mind, we are able to set the shock’s piston valving to superior levels. The combination of the shock and spring is superior. Our Linear Spring Motion with no Friction Loss is superior and the shock can be adjusted very precisely (Function-X includes 30-Way Damping Adjustability), thus the setting levels have broadened and can be fine-tuned with advanced precision and feel. Lightweight aluminum upper mounts, spring seat preload and spring seat locks, height-adjustable lower brackets and lock seats (for non-strut type applications) include a durable, Alumite finish for rust proof characteristics. Steel shell casing includes a special chromate plating for rust proof characteristics also. Adjustable brackets are newly designed and slender. Driving feel is amazing for the hard-user. MacPherson Strut-Type systems are specifically produced as an inverted-monotube type.
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KW Coilover Variant 3
The new Variant 3 is state-of-the-art technology for the skilled and experienced driver. The separate and independent compression and rebound damping options allow a truly individual driving set-up. These unique systems with the 3 individually adjustable components, allows for adjustment of the compression of the damper in the low-speed range, while the high-speed set-up, so decisive for driving comfort, has been preset by our engineers
• Independently adjustable damping technology -rebound and compression damping
• inox-line stainless steel technology at no extra charge
• Individual height adjustment
• German TUEV-tested adjustment parameters
• High-quality components for long life
• Comprehensive documentation for ease of use
• Infinitely adjustable rebound damping
• 14- level adjustable compression damping
• Unique, independently functioning damping power adjustment
Tuning your vehicle’s suspension is one of the easiest ways to instantly improve overall performance. The HKS Hipermax II suspension, which offers both ride height and shock dampening adjustments, provides improved handling characteristics while maintaining your vehicle’s ride comfort. Ride height is adjusted by simply rotating the 60mm spring retainer perches around the chromed steel shock body. The dual interlocking spring retainer perches prevent spring movement and unwanted ride height changes. Dampening can be adjusted at 30 settings (20 on some applications) to deliver the desired shock compression and rebound stiffness for custom tailored driving characteristics. The included anodized aluminum upper Pillowball mounts retain spring placement and improve steering response and maintains suspension geometry. Additionally, some applications offer camber adjustments on the upper Pillowball mounts. Each HKS Hipermax Damper II suspension system comes with all the need adjustment wrenches, stiffness adjusting *****, and miscellaneous hardware for a complete installation and tuning.
HKS Hipermax II Coilovers
Tuning your vehicle’s suspension is one of the easiest ways to instantly improve overall performance. The HKS Hipermax II suspension, which offers both ride height and shock dampening adjustments, provides improved handling characteristics while maintaining your vehicle’s ride comfort. Ride height is adjusted by simply rotating the 60mm spring retainer perches around the chromed steel shock body. The dual interlocking spring retainer perches prevent spring movement and unwanted ride height changes. Dampening can be adjusted at 30 settings (20 on some applications) to deliver the desired shock compression and rebound stiffness for custom tailored driving characteristics. The included anodized aluminum upper Pillowball mounts retain spring placement and improve steering response and maintains suspension geometry. Additionally, some applications offer camber adjustments on the upper Pillowball mounts. Each HKS Hipermax Damper II suspension system comes with all the need adjustment wrenches, stiffness adjusting *****, and miscellaneous hardware for a complete installation and tuning.
Chromed Steel shock body assembly with precision-cut threads
Shortened cylinder body and piston stroke
Single tube structure with large free piston
Single tube structure with low-pressure nitrogen gas
Dual oil and gas chambers
Anodized aluminum Pillowball upper mounts
Anodized aluminum spring perches
Dual rate progressive coil springs
Fully rebuildable
JIC FLT-A2 Street competition track- drag
The FLT-A2 features a light weight, 15 way adjustable monotube damper that ensures high strength and fade free performance. The ride height is adjustable separate from the spring perch giving you maximum suspension travel at any setting. This also allows for proper corner weighting of the vehicle without effecting spring preload settings. Linear springs give laser precision steering response. All models include upper pillow ball mounts. MacPherson strut designs utilize front camber plates and feature high tensile steel brackets. Multilink suspension designs feature a CNC machined aluminum lower brackets.
Auto Exe
Brand New Release from AutoExe. The height adjustable suspension kit that puts sports performance first with features like a hard setting inverted mono tube damper and linear rate race spring, and an aluminum upper mount. Without interfering with cooling performance, the newly developed thin φ40 piston reduces friction surface, which decreases friction during damper operation. This has the effect of facilitating uniform handling while simultaneously limiting the harshness associated with this design. The damping force is adjustable in 12 levels. The suspension is rebuildable.Diameter 40mm piston/gas type mono rube damper. Damping force 12grades adjustable with dial. Spring Rate: Front 107.8Ｎ/ｍｍ, Rear 39.2Ｎ/mm.
The new Variant 3 is state-of-the-art technology for the skilled and experienced driver. The separate and independent compression and rebound damping options allow a truly individual driving set-up. These unique systems with the 3 individually adjustable components, allows for adjustment of the compression of the damper in the low-speed range, while the high-speed set-up, so decisive for driving comfort, has been preset by our engineers
• Independently adjustable damping technology -rebound and compression damping
• inox-line stainless steel technology at no extra charge
• Individual height adjustment
• German TUEV-tested adjustment parameters
• High-quality components for long life
• Comprehensive documentation for ease of use
• Infinitely adjustable rebound damping
• 14- level adjustable compression damping
• Unique, independently functioning damping power adjustment
Tuning your vehicle’s suspension is one of the easiest ways to instantly improve overall performance. The HKS Hipermax II suspension, which offers both ride height and shock dampening adjustments, provides improved handling characteristics while maintaining your vehicle’s ride comfort. Ride height is adjusted by simply rotating the 60mm spring retainer perches around the chromed steel shock body. The dual interlocking spring retainer perches prevent spring movement and unwanted ride height changes. Dampening can be adjusted at 30 settings (20 on some applications) to deliver the desired shock compression and rebound stiffness for custom tailored driving characteristics. The included anodized aluminum upper Pillowball mounts retain spring placement and improve steering response and maintains suspension geometry. Additionally, some applications offer camber adjustments on the upper Pillowball mounts. Each HKS Hipermax Damper II suspension system comes with all the need adjustment wrenches, stiffness adjusting *****, and miscellaneous hardware for a complete installation and tuning.
HKS Hipermax II Coilovers
Tuning your vehicle’s suspension is one of the easiest ways to instantly improve overall performance. The HKS Hipermax II suspension, which offers both ride height and shock dampening adjustments, provides improved handling characteristics while maintaining your vehicle’s ride comfort. Ride height is adjusted by simply rotating the 60mm spring retainer perches around the chromed steel shock body. The dual interlocking spring retainer perches prevent spring movement and unwanted ride height changes. Dampening can be adjusted at 30 settings (20 on some applications) to deliver the desired shock compression and rebound stiffness for custom tailored driving characteristics. The included anodized aluminum upper Pillowball mounts retain spring placement and improve steering response and maintains suspension geometry. Additionally, some applications offer camber adjustments on the upper Pillowball mounts. Each HKS Hipermax Damper II suspension system comes with all the need adjustment wrenches, stiffness adjusting *****, and miscellaneous hardware for a complete installation and tuning.
Chromed Steel shock body assembly with precision-cut threads
Shortened cylinder body and piston stroke
Single tube structure with large free piston
Single tube structure with low-pressure nitrogen gas
Dual oil and gas chambers
Anodized aluminum Pillowball upper mounts
Anodized aluminum spring perches
Dual rate progressive coil springs
Fully rebuildable
JIC FLT-A2 Street competition track- drag
The FLT-A2 features a light weight, 15 way adjustable monotube damper that ensures high strength and fade free performance. The ride height is adjustable separate from the spring perch giving you maximum suspension travel at any setting. This also allows for proper corner weighting of the vehicle without effecting spring preload settings. Linear springs give laser precision steering response. All models include upper pillow ball mounts. MacPherson strut designs utilize front camber plates and feature high tensile steel brackets. Multilink suspension designs feature a CNC machined aluminum lower brackets.
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Brand New Release from AutoExe. The height adjustable suspension kit that puts sports performance first with features like a hard setting inverted mono tube damper and linear rate race spring, and an aluminum upper mount. Without interfering with cooling performance, the newly developed thin φ40 piston reduces friction surface, which decreases friction during damper operation. This has the effect of facilitating uniform handling while simultaneously limiting the harshness associated with this design. The damping force is adjustable in 12 levels. The suspension is rebuildable.Diameter 40mm piston/gas type mono rube damper. Damping force 12grades adjustable with dial. Spring Rate: Front 107.8Ｎ/ｍｍ, Rear 39.2Ｎ/mm.
11-27-2006, 08:34 PM
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money is not the issue (to a point dan 
) i want a quality racing coilover then i would like info on the sway bars... please... explain to me what i should be looking for or what you think i should be looking for... i never had a rwd car before and have competed in fwd... so i am looking to people with the rwd experience
) i want a quality racing coilover then i would like info on the sway bars... please... explain to me what i should be looking for or what you think i should be looking for... i never had a rwd car before and have competed in fwd... so i am looking to people with the rwd experience
11-27-2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swoope
i have this weird steelbluedink thing going on here...
beers
:James....the only comment i have on the Zeals is they are about 1K more than the other options...that to me would be enough to veto them.
All of the ones mentioned have very similar springrates in the 500lb/in area.....
That is roughly what my JIC's are...and I am OK with them
I have beat the **** out of them for two years...and had one front and one rear leak a little and need rebuilding. The rears were done for shipping only...and the fronts are down being looked at right now. I will let you know how it goes.
11-27-2006, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Did you see me saying anything at all specifically about the Zeals.....DUH
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
The Zeal RX-8 setup is very similar in springrate to a lot of other systems...the HKS, KW, Tein.....also similar to the JIC's that I have.....I think that gives me a bit more knowledge than nothing.
I don't find the JIC's too stiff....even with the heavy RB sways......they are a bit much for around town and out with the wife...but that I can live with for the time i spend at the track....what we are talking about here.
I think you just like to argue......go find another forum to do that! Or take it to the lounge...we can swap insults there
This is pointless, the best mod to make the car handle better is tires, not sway bar, springs or shocks anyway. Take it out on the track and see who is faster, better than sitting here and waste time typing.
11-27-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by swoope
what track and what are you times on that track...
what are you times on that track stock???
you have the cart before the horse and the carrot in your pocket...
i have this weird steelbluedink thing going on here...
beers
what are you times on that track stock???
you have the cart before the horse and the carrot in your pocket...
i have this weird steelbluedink thing going on here...
beers
11-27-2006, 11:33 PM
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on a stock rx-8, 1:08 flat at LRP. at Pocono, 1:05 stock. drove a few cars that had suspension, don't know the time on them. For sure I know it was faster at Pocono, but slower at LRP.
amd before you answer the others... are you doing this in your gf auto??
have a great time in you z at vir.. it is a great road course..
feel free to pm me if you like..
buy a vowel vana..
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11-28-2006, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
This is pointless, the best mod to make the car handle better is tires, not sway bar, springs or shocks anyway.
11-28-2006, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by swoope
lime rock? which course at pocono?
i think you got a lot of proving to do..
good luck..
beers
i think you got a lot of proving to do..
good luck..
beers
Nontheless, I still haven't seen any near stock RX-8 come remotely close to that time anyway and my best time is far above that. So it really doesn't concern me. I don't know about you, but I like to take it easy driving other people's car at the track. I did all the courses at Pocono, but drove the RX-8 on the North Course. The RX-8 with suspension was faster at Pocono, but definitely slower at Lime Rock due to its inability to put grip at each wheel
VIR was great, but it is not as challenging as Lime Rock for sure.