View Poll Results: Your opinion on rota's..
They should be prosecuted for copying designs...
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They have there place I suppose, but I want the real thing...
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They don't bother me one way or another...
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You can't go wrong for the style/price combo... give me 4!
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Rota wheels... what do you think about them?
10-03-2008, 03:02 PM
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Sure, it's always about you. Isn't it?
Never mind the copyright laws that we have in place that everyone uses to sue people with. But, when it's convenient...it's all about the consumer. I don't need "DATA". I look at obvious evidence. A company that is around for at least 30 years....cannot do something ground breaking or cutting edge. SOMETHING IS WRONG.
It's the same thing with these china-junk car manufacturers in china that copy toyota, honda, BMW, and M-Benz's designs down to the lines and expect people to believe it's the same thing just for a LOWA PRIZE y0. It's pure horseshit. Plain and simple.
If ROTA and some of these knockoff brands actually took a wheel or a product and MADE IT BETTER, i would not be so against it. As, that does offer more variety to the industry and the consumer. They just flagrantly copied the designs and made it universal, and cheap (DID NOT PUT THE R&D into it)... And, in the end people confuse these wheels with RAYS or REGAMASTER wheels. If the consumer has a problem (say they did not buy the wheels) they start calling the wrong people about it and more problems ensue. Just like XS Engineering gets called daily about XS Power garbage. It's a freakin' pain in the ***, and will be regardless of how you slice it. The following statements ARE the truth.
1) They obviously don't give a rats rear end about stealing people's designs and ideas. They did not make the designs better. They made it more universal, that is about it. Their casting process is not any better than the bigger names (last time i checked ROTA does not forge). After all that would cost more money and equipment right?, and that would lead to higher prices right?
2) They obviously try to market to a crowd that care about price > all. Which BTW includes large companies as well.
3) They have never tried to break out of that vicious cycle because if they did, they WOULD get recognized for it. And, they would WANT that recognition.
4) This is not an unforgiving industry that won't recognize people's hard work and enterprising nature.
This is common business sense.
And i guess just because VIS, ROTA, and EXEL do it, and a few track racers use it, i guess it automatically becomes A-OK and 2 wrongs automatically make it right.
Hell people can use E-Gay steelies at a few track events and survive. Does not make E-Gay great. I knew a guy who rallycross'd with Ebay coilovers, wheels, seats and a whole bunch of stuff. He did well because he was a great driver, not because of his crappy parts. He did not give a 2 cents about his car, and he admitted it. I never made fun of him.
Maybe some of these companies will learn something from that 63 million dollar fine e-bay got slapped with after selling fake LV products in france. Serves em right.
Never mind the copyright laws that we have in place that everyone uses to sue people with. But, when it's convenient...it's all about the consumer. I don't need "DATA". I look at obvious evidence. A company that is around for at least 30 years....cannot do something ground breaking or cutting edge. SOMETHING IS WRONG.
It's the same thing with these china-junk car manufacturers in china that copy toyota, honda, BMW, and M-Benz's designs down to the lines and expect people to believe it's the same thing just for a LOWA PRIZE y0. It's pure horseshit. Plain and simple.
If ROTA and some of these knockoff brands actually took a wheel or a product and MADE IT BETTER, i would not be so against it. As, that does offer more variety to the industry and the consumer. They just flagrantly copied the designs and made it universal, and cheap (DID NOT PUT THE R&D into it)... And, in the end people confuse these wheels with RAYS or REGAMASTER wheels. If the consumer has a problem (say they did not buy the wheels) they start calling the wrong people about it and more problems ensue. Just like XS Engineering gets called daily about XS Power garbage. It's a freakin' pain in the ***, and will be regardless of how you slice it. The following statements ARE the truth.
1) They obviously don't give a rats rear end about stealing people's designs and ideas. They did not make the designs better. They made it more universal, that is about it. Their casting process is not any better than the bigger names (last time i checked ROTA does not forge). After all that would cost more money and equipment right?, and that would lead to higher prices right?
2) They obviously try to market to a crowd that care about price > all. Which BTW includes large companies as well.
3) They have never tried to break out of that vicious cycle because if they did, they WOULD get recognized for it. And, they would WANT that recognition.
4) This is not an unforgiving industry that won't recognize people's hard work and enterprising nature.
This is common business sense.
And i guess just because VIS, ROTA, and EXEL do it, and a few track racers use it, i guess it automatically becomes A-OK and 2 wrongs automatically make it right.
Hell people can use E-Gay steelies at a few track events and survive. Does not make E-Gay great. I knew a guy who rallycross'd with Ebay coilovers, wheels, seats and a whole bunch of stuff. He did well because he was a great driver, not because of his crappy parts. He did not give a 2 cents about his car, and he admitted it. I never made fun of him.
Maybe some of these companies will learn something from that 63 million dollar fine e-bay got slapped with after selling fake LV products in france. Serves em right.
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10-04-2008, 09:40 AM
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I think it's CRAZY for a consumer to keep insisting that the selection of wheels should be smaller!
Design of a rim is not an intellectual property issue to me - its round and it has spokes. The rest, pardon the pun, is reinventing the wheel. How can you claim ownership of an idea that 5 spokes are to be used? My consciousness is at ease.
If the company feels otherwise they can take it to court.
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oh ok, nevermind. Back to the Rota's... 
10-04-2008, 12:00 PM
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No, they did not make it better.
They took a wheel whose design was NOT theirs to begin with (and don't play along with this bullsh*t about how the designs are not similar, spoke design for spoke design, color to color). Or maybe it's just a HUGE coincidence that the Rota wheels look JUST like Advan and Rays wheels
.Try telling that to someone more gullible.
They DID NOT improve the wheel making process in anyway. They use a cheaper wheel making technology than the originals use.... TO MAKE THE PRICE CHEAPER. Like i said above, if they actually made something as top notch as the big makers (and I am sure they can), they would have to charge for it. That means all the cheapskates are unhappy. Basically you would lose, so they stick to sapping you of your money, because you are so easily bought out. The only thing they did was make the designs more universal without the permission of the people that designed them. Then again why do you care, because it's all about you right? Even if it means stealing and killing.
Don't say MOST consumers won't pay over 300 dollars for a wheel. PLENTY, and PLENTY of people are paying it (How else do you think the big names got so far?). Just because you are a cheap ***, and it's not IN YOUR EYES...WORTH IT, to pay over 300 dollars a wheel.....don't speak for everyone else in the USA, or even the global market. Just because you are shameless, does not mean everyone else is. Some people have pride in their cars, and are not just disposable toys.
BTW, you can get great condition used "non-rota" wheels for 600-700 bucks a set of 4. Like anything automotive related, you lose money right when you buy something new....so just like a pre-owned car, you can buy good quality pre-owned wheels if budget is so tight.
If you want to run a special size, order it brand new. It's not like ROTA makes anything to order, because that would mean more money out of their pocket right?
If you honestly believe that they did not steal the designs of other companies, you are not proving anything to anybody. You are just lying to yourself. Plain and simple.
They took a wheel whose design was NOT theirs to begin with (and don't play along with this bullsh*t about how the designs are not similar, spoke design for spoke design, color to color). Or maybe it's just a HUGE coincidence that the Rota wheels look JUST like Advan and Rays wheels
.Try telling that to someone more gullible. They DID NOT improve the wheel making process in anyway. They use a cheaper wheel making technology than the originals use.... TO MAKE THE PRICE CHEAPER. Like i said above, if they actually made something as top notch as the big makers (and I am sure they can), they would have to charge for it. That means all the cheapskates are unhappy. Basically you would lose, so they stick to sapping you of your money, because you are so easily bought out. The only thing they did was make the designs more universal without the permission of the people that designed them. Then again why do you care, because it's all about you right? Even if it means stealing and killing.
Don't say MOST consumers won't pay over 300 dollars for a wheel. PLENTY, and PLENTY of people are paying it (How else do you think the big names got so far?). Just because you are a cheap ***, and it's not IN YOUR EYES...WORTH IT, to pay over 300 dollars a wheel.....don't speak for everyone else in the USA, or even the global market. Just because you are shameless, does not mean everyone else is. Some people have pride in their cars, and are not just disposable toys.
BTW, you can get great condition used "non-rota" wheels for 600-700 bucks a set of 4. Like anything automotive related, you lose money right when you buy something new....so just like a pre-owned car, you can buy good quality pre-owned wheels if budget is so tight.
If you want to run a special size, order it brand new. It's not like ROTA makes anything to order, because that would mean more money out of their pocket right?
If you honestly believe that they did not steal the designs of other companies, you are not proving anything to anybody. You are just lying to yourself. Plain and simple.
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10-04-2008, 12:22 PM
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No, they did not make it better.
They took a wheel whose design was NOT theirs to begin with (and don't play along with this bullsh*t about how the designs are not similar, spoke design for spoke design, color to color). Or maybe it's just a HUGE coincidence that the Rota wheels look JUST like Advan and Rays wheels .Try telling that to someone more gullible.
They DID NOT improve the wheel making process in anyway. They use a cheaper wheel making technology than the originals use.... TO MAKE THE PRICE CHEAPER. Like i said above, if they actually made something as top notch as the big makers (and I am sure they can), they would have to charge for it. That means all the cheapskates are unhappy. Basically you would lose, so they stick to sapping you of your money, because you are so easily bought out. The only thing they did was make the designs more universal without the permission of the people that designed them. Then again why do you care, because it's all about you right? Even if it means stealing and killing.
Don't say MOST consumers won't pay over 300 dollars for a wheel. PLENTY, and PLENTY of people are paying it (How else do you think the big names got so far?). Just because you are a cheap ***, and it's not IN YOUR EYES...WORTH IT, to pay over 300 dollars a wheel.....don't speak for everyone else in the USA, or even the global market. Just because you are shameless, does not mean everyone else is. Some people have pride in their cars, and are not just disposable toys.
BTW, you can get great condition used "non-rota" wheels for 600-700 bucks a set of 4. Like anything automotive related, you lose money right when you buy something new....so just like a pre-owned car, you can buy good quality pre-owned wheels if budget is so tight.
If you want to run a special size, order it brand new. It's not like ROTA makes anything to order, because that would mean more money out of their pocket right?
If you honestly believe that they did not steal the designs of other companies, you are not proving anything to anybody. You are just lying to yourself. Plain and simple.
They took a wheel whose design was NOT theirs to begin with (and don't play along with this bullsh*t about how the designs are not similar, spoke design for spoke design, color to color). Or maybe it's just a HUGE coincidence that the Rota wheels look JUST like Advan and Rays wheels
.Try telling that to someone more gullible. They DID NOT improve the wheel making process in anyway. They use a cheaper wheel making technology than the originals use.... TO MAKE THE PRICE CHEAPER. Like i said above, if they actually made something as top notch as the big makers (and I am sure they can), they would have to charge for it. That means all the cheapskates are unhappy. Basically you would lose, so they stick to sapping you of your money, because you are so easily bought out. The only thing they did was make the designs more universal without the permission of the people that designed them. Then again why do you care, because it's all about you right? Even if it means stealing and killing.
Don't say MOST consumers won't pay over 300 dollars for a wheel. PLENTY, and PLENTY of people are paying it (How else do you think the big names got so far?). Just because you are a cheap ***, and it's not IN YOUR EYES...WORTH IT, to pay over 300 dollars a wheel.....don't speak for everyone else in the USA, or even the global market. Just because you are shameless, does not mean everyone else is. Some people have pride in their cars, and are not just disposable toys.
BTW, you can get great condition used "non-rota" wheels for 600-700 bucks a set of 4. Like anything automotive related, you lose money right when you buy something new....so just like a pre-owned car, you can buy good quality pre-owned wheels if budget is so tight.
If you want to run a special size, order it brand new. It's not like ROTA makes anything to order, because that would mean more money out of their pocket right?
If you honestly believe that they did not steal the designs of other companies, you are not proving anything to anybody. You are just lying to yourself. Plain and simple.
10-04-2008, 01:08 PM
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Maybe there will be, or maybe it's just as hard to sue them as it is to sue the chinese for stealing designs as well. Maybe it's not worth it to the big boys to mess with children.
I don't think E-Bay will be selling any knockoff LV, or French designer products anytime soon.
I don't think E-Bay will be selling any knockoff LV, or French designer products anytime soon.
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10-04-2008, 02:04 PM
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Well I'll keep lying to myself and save 1800 dollars. And where can you find a good set of used rays, or work or volk for 600-700 dollars, no one in their right mind who paid 1500 for a set of wheels would sell them for that cheap, let alone a 3000 dollar set, how much crack do you smoke, your a toy if you think anyone would.
10-04-2008, 02:56 PM
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You need to shop around. Check E-Bay, Yahoo Auctions Japan, www.RBWheels.com, Forums.
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=719418
$1100 bucks. Brand new CR Kais.
I know a GTR guy who bought 19 x 10 TE37 wheels off a Super Taikyu car for 900 USD + shipping. Get creative. It's not always about buying stuff off the storeshelf. You want it, you will find a way to get it. Prices can go from 600 - 1500 depending on condition and size. I got a set of 17 x 9 BBS wheels for 600 USD.
A lot of these name brand wheels don't even cost 3000 USD. I think Emotions cost maybe 2000 MAX... But you would not know that. A set of 18s Work Meister S1s cost about 2500 USD, 3000 if you order 19s and up. Work Rezax's will take you to $4000 for 20's.
Hell, RB Motoring (website above) has a set of 17 inch Meister S1s in essentially new condition for 16xx.00 USD. If you think that's too much money for a 28,000 Dollar car, you are in the wrong hobby my friend. Wheels are not necessary to make a car run. It's a luxury item.
I am not smoking any crack. I am just giving you a knowledge check. But hey, at least you admitted that you are lying to yourself.
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=719418
$1100 bucks. Brand new CR Kais.
I know a GTR guy who bought 19 x 10 TE37 wheels off a Super Taikyu car for 900 USD + shipping. Get creative. It's not always about buying stuff off the storeshelf. You want it, you will find a way to get it. Prices can go from 600 - 1500 depending on condition and size. I got a set of 17 x 9 BBS wheels for 600 USD.
A lot of these name brand wheels don't even cost 3000 USD. I think Emotions cost maybe 2000 MAX... But you would not know that. A set of 18s Work Meister S1s cost about 2500 USD, 3000 if you order 19s and up. Work Rezax's will take you to $4000 for 20's.
Hell, RB Motoring (website above) has a set of 17 inch Meister S1s in essentially new condition for 16xx.00 USD. If you think that's too much money for a 28,000 Dollar car, you are in the wrong hobby my friend. Wheels are not necessary to make a car run. It's a luxury item.
I am not smoking any crack. I am just giving you a knowledge check. But hey, at least you admitted that you are lying to yourself.
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10-04-2008, 05:37 PM
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Well I'll keep lying to myself and save 1800 dollars. And where can you find a good set of used rays, or work or volk for 600-700 dollars, no one in their right mind who paid 1500 for a set of wheels would sell them for that cheap, let alone a 3000 dollar set, how much crack do you smoke, your a toy if you think anyone would.
10-04-2008, 08:59 PM
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Who cares man? It's just stealing. Local bank gets robbed everyone is up in arms. On N0eZ, Hail Bloody Mary. But this is somehow ok.
I love this nation of hypocracy. I am not mad that someone else bought them. LOL, i could care less if they junk up their car. I just care that everyone is in denial about it. That does not hurt me either, it just hurts them and the industry. With this economy, and the tree huggers, good aftermarket parts are already an endangered species, let's hurt it even more.
E-Gay Chinaman parts, VIS, XSpower, ROTA, EXEL, FTMFW. Hey look, HKS is still around making "overpriced"****. Someone needs to copy it so that "It's more universal". Let's bankrupt them too.
I am gonna laugh the next time someone takes the time to R&D and make something great, and it gets knocked off for 1/2 the price.
Serves these jokers right to eat their own words. Let 'em rot.
Hey FLIP: Pass me some drinks too. I can't stage act forever. ROFL.
I love this nation of hypocracy. I am not mad that someone else bought them. LOL, i could care less if they junk up their car. I just care that everyone is in denial about it. That does not hurt me either, it just hurts them and the industry. With this economy, and the tree huggers, good aftermarket parts are already an endangered species, let's hurt it even more.
E-Gay Chinaman parts, VIS, XSpower, ROTA, EXEL, FTMFW. Hey look, HKS is still around making "overpriced"****. Someone needs to copy it so that "It's more universal". Let's bankrupt them too.
I am gonna laugh the next time someone takes the time to R&D and make something great, and it gets knocked off for 1/2 the price.
Serves these jokers right to eat their own words. Let 'em rot.
Hey FLIP: Pass me some drinks too. I can't stage act forever. ROFL.
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10-04-2008, 09:35 PM
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rota's will be sold as many of the "knock off" products, get used to it. theres no problem with that. we live in a capitalistic society that thrives on commerce. companies like rota supply parts that are in demand just like ever other company. because they are "knock offs" doesnt mean jack sh*t to the million of people who buy their product. maybe next time, companies like rays or yokohama should copyright their design or something. but just to think about it, how about hanes white shirts compared to fruit of the loom white shirts, ****, someone should sue someone for taking their white shirt design and selling it cheaper.
10-04-2008, 09:47 PM
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Oh don't worry. There are already lawsuits being thought up. I am already helping a few guys in japan sue the guys here for replicating their FD and FC bodykits. I am just giving them the names of the guys who they need to take action against. Trust me Knightsports, Amemiya, R-Magic, HKS, etc...are not stupid.
The Japanese are not suckers, and eventually only time will tell who was the real sucker.
Just enjoy and watch the show. Maybe nothing will happen, and they will just let it go, or maybe **** will hit the fan.
I also happen to have a REALLY good relationship with Work Wheels USA. I will make sure nothing goes off the radar scope at least if i can help it.
Just like we are a consumer, capitalist society...we are also a society of laws.
The Japanese are not suckers, and eventually only time will tell who was the real sucker.
Just enjoy and watch the show. Maybe nothing will happen, and they will just let it go, or maybe **** will hit the fan.
I also happen to have a REALLY good relationship with Work Wheels USA. I will make sure nothing goes off the radar scope at least if i can help it.
Just like we are a consumer, capitalist society...we are also a society of laws.
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10-04-2008, 10:01 PM
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lets sue seibon for making a replica oem hood too! and sue them for making a replica mugen hard top. let sue the people who make replica kit cars. done forget to sue evo-r for making the autobahn replica fender vent and accolade for making a replica mazdaspeed ver2 body kit. oh and all the replica body kits that people have bought and sold on this forum. i bet there are designs that even rays or yokohama used that are not original. it happens
10-04-2008, 10:05 PM
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I can't take everyone out. But i will take out whoever i can. And, a lot of kit car makers btw are not using exactly the same designs, and if they did...they have BOUGHT the rights to them.
Just relax, it won't affect you.
I have said what i have need to say about ROTA.
The rest i don't care about, it's not my life anymore.
Just relax, it won't affect you.
I have said what i have need to say about ROTA.
The rest i don't care about, it's not my life anymore.
10-04-2008, 10:07 PM
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it affects me when i cant buy my champ black socks because hanes will be filing a law suit because they copied their design or i wont be able to buy my rotora 2 piece brakes because brembo is suing them for copying their design on the slots. hahaha
10-04-2008, 10:09 PM
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Oh well, should have bought the brembos in the first place. Oh wait, i am sure you didn't hear about Rotora brakes for the GTR cracking....... Oh nvm, i will shut up now and not spoil the fun for you.
Looks like you have some mysteries that lie ahead.
Man, my brain is fried....I need a vacation.
Looks like you have some mysteries that lie ahead.
Man, my brain is fried....I need a vacation.