View Poll Results: Your opinion on rota's..
They should be prosecuted for copying designs...
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They have there place I suppose, but I want the real thing...
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They don't bother me one way or another...
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You can't go wrong for the style/price combo... give me 4!
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Rota wheels... what do you think about them?
10-02-2008, 09:34 PM
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That guy has a nice car but with those Rotas.......SF Challenge would be 50x better. The Quality and detail in the wheel just doesn't compare.
10-02-2008, 09:46 PM
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I am not a name brand JDM *****, but IMO companies like Rota are the leeches of the automotive industry.
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
Name brand or more expensive products can **** up too, but chances are they got to that level by having some kind of creativity and quality control. Quality products can come from anywhere, and any country as long as there is quality control.
And Most of ROTAs' customers are from the USA will buy them because it's price > quality ALWAYS. Not because they want a cheap set of beater track wheels, but because they rather don't give a damn and figure it's "The same".
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...interview.html
Are there any differences that you see in the U.s. and Japanese market?
In America, the priority is on price first, then quality. Americans don't seem to care whether a product works or is real. In Japan, it's the exact opposite. I find American companies copying our cam designs and selling them as their own, doing absolutely no r&D. some U.s. magazines have unknowingly tested our product along with imitations and the results were skewed, which I found astounding. The fake products should have performed identical or worse. personally, I don't know how comfortable I'd feel buying fake products instead of the real thing.
And from what i have seen, this is pretty correct for the most part.
Just my .02.
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
Name brand or more expensive products can **** up too, but chances are they got to that level by having some kind of creativity and quality control. Quality products can come from anywhere, and any country as long as there is quality control.
And Most of ROTAs' customers are from the USA will buy them because it's price > quality ALWAYS. Not because they want a cheap set of beater track wheels, but because they rather don't give a damn and figure it's "The same".
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...interview.html
Are there any differences that you see in the U.s. and Japanese market?
In America, the priority is on price first, then quality. Americans don't seem to care whether a product works or is real. In Japan, it's the exact opposite. I find American companies copying our cam designs and selling them as their own, doing absolutely no r&D. some U.s. magazines have unknowingly tested our product along with imitations and the results were skewed, which I found astounding. The fake products should have performed identical or worse. personally, I don't know how comfortable I'd feel buying fake products instead of the real thing.
And from what i have seen, this is pretty correct for the most part.
Just my .02.
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10-03-2008, 12:00 AM
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I am not a name brand JDM *****, but IMO companies like Rota are the leeches of the automotive industry.
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
i just dont like when people hate on replicas or "knock offs" when we all know damn well that we all owned or bought at least couple of things fake or cheap in our lifes i bet i can go in anybodys house and name acouple of things that are fake, generic, or cheap. stop hating....
homeboy from fluid motors if you got a problem with my rotas why dont you give me a set of 5zigens and if there 50x better will you guarantee me a front cover shot on a magazine or win me a car show???
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fluid maybe you guys should start selling rotas check out wheeldude.com to get some marketing ideas..
and miata boy you might want to try out a set of rotas before you speak about them..you might like it, might be fast like a nascar.lol
and miata boy you might want to try out a set of rotas before you speak about them..you might like it, might be fast like a nascar.lol
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I am not a name brand JDM *****, but IMO companies like Rota are the leeches of the automotive industry.
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
Name brand or more expensive products can **** up too, but chances are they got to that level by having some kind of creativity and quality control. Quality products can come from anywhere, and any country as long as there is quality control.
And Most of ROTAs' customers are from the USA will buy them because it's price > quality ALWAYS. Not because they want a cheap set of beater track wheels, but because they rather don't give a damn and figure it's "The same".
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...interview.html
Are there any differences that you see in the U.s. and Japanese market?
In America, the priority is on price first, then quality. Americans don't seem to care whether a product works or is real. In Japan, it's the exact opposite. I find American companies copying our cam designs and selling them as their own, doing absolutely no r&D. some U.s. magazines have unknowingly tested our product along with imitations and the results were skewed, which I found astounding. The fake products should have performed identical or worse. personally, I don't know how comfortable I'd feel buying fake products instead of the real thing.
And from what i have seen, this is pretty correct for the most part.
Just my .02.
They have NO Creativity, NO originality. They rely on brand names coming up with their OWN Designs, and knocking if off cheaper with LOWER quality control for cheap *** kiddies who are probably in the WRONG hobby to begin with in the first place (Buying a 30,000 dollar car, and skimping on 800 dollar wheels)
Name brand or more expensive products can **** up too, but chances are they got to that level by having some kind of creativity and quality control. Quality products can come from anywhere, and any country as long as there is quality control.
And Most of ROTAs' customers are from the USA will buy them because it's price > quality ALWAYS. Not because they want a cheap set of beater track wheels, but because they rather don't give a damn and figure it's "The same".
http://www.importtuner.com/features/...interview.html
Are there any differences that you see in the U.s. and Japanese market?
In America, the priority is on price first, then quality. Americans don't seem to care whether a product works or is real. In Japan, it's the exact opposite. I find American companies copying our cam designs and selling them as their own, doing absolutely no r&D. some U.s. magazines have unknowingly tested our product along with imitations and the results were skewed, which I found astounding. The fake products should have performed identical or worse. personally, I don't know how comfortable I'd feel buying fake products instead of the real thing.
And from what i have seen, this is pretty correct for the most part.
Just my .02.
Its a rim, get over it - and the ones ROTA makes do their job well and at about a third the price of some of those ridiculously priced super-duper name brands.
Quality is only of concern up to a point - is the rim free of defects? will the rim break? will the paint fade/scratch easy? On all counts Rota has been trustworthy - why should I pay for all this supposed "quality" if I will never really get much use out of it?
10-03-2008, 01:53 AM
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And I guess someone somewhere is making a similar case for thousand dollar Gucci bags.
Its a rim, get over it - and the ones ROTA makes do their job well and at about a third the price of some of those ridiculously priced super-duper name brands.
Quality is only of concern up to a point - is the rim free of defects? will the rim break? will the paint fade/scratch easy? On all counts Rota has been trustworthy - why should I pay for all this supposed "quality" if I will never really get much use out of it?
Its a rim, get over it - and the ones ROTA makes do their job well and at about a third the price of some of those ridiculously priced super-duper name brands.
Quality is only of concern up to a point - is the rim free of defects? will the rim break? will the paint fade/scratch easy? On all counts Rota has been trustworthy - why should I pay for all this supposed "quality" if I will never really get much use out of it?
All it takes is for a few cases to completely tarnish a brands image (think american cars).
Maybe your ROTAs that you are driving on may break? Who knows...that is what people mean when they say...you get what you pay for.
And like i said, if real companies that ARE enterprising, and creating did not exist, mosquitos like ROTA would not exist. Because as far as their lineup is concerned....they have no creativity. I will start respecting ROTA if they come up with their OWN stuff instead of copying Work, Rays Engineering, Regamaster, and all the guys who actually did some R&D into their wheels and forging/casting process.
If they WERE creative and had something NEW to offer, they would be charging for it (because no one works for free, and that is human nature). They just make cheap *** wheels for people who care less about their cars. It is the truth, if you don't like, that's hard luck, and not my fault. And your statement proves just that.
Why don't you ask Nissan or GM or Mitsubishi why they don't outsource their OEM wheels to ROTA?? Why do they pick BBS, or Rays Engineering, or Enkei? There is a pretty damn good reason for that, and that is ROTA does not cut it. Same reason OEM manufacturers use IHI, Hitachi, or Garrett for their OEM Turbochargers versus XS power and SS Autochrome chinaman garbage.
Some stuff is PROVEN over and over and over again to work, and that is where reputation and "BRAND NAME" comes from.
Mikeluvs8:
i dont think that everyone on this forum is spoon fed like you are, some of us got familys to feed.and if the cheap wheels are SO different PROVE that if you have a stock rx8 with $5k dollar rims and another stock rx8 with cheap $800 dollar rims the rx8 with the $5K rims will win.i'd like to see this make me believe that its really worth paying $5K on rims. i see it like this i could understand if you have tons of mods to your car and you are going all out ,engine all done up then yeah get a set of $5k rims to top it off.but if your stock and you got $5k come on now you can even back up those wheels.
i just dont like when people hate on replicas or "knock offs" when we all know damn well that we all owned or bought at least couple of things fake or cheap in our lifes i bet i can go in anybodys house and name acouple of things that are fake, generic, or cheap. stop hating....
homeboy from fluid motors if you got a problem with my rotas why dont you give me a set of 5zigens and if there 50x better will you guarantee me a front cover shot on a magazine or win me a car show???
i just dont like when people hate on replicas or "knock offs" when we all know damn well that we all owned or bought at least couple of things fake or cheap in our lifes i bet i can go in anybodys house and name acouple of things that are fake, generic, or cheap. stop hating....
homeboy from fluid motors if you got a problem with my rotas why dont you give me a set of 5zigens and if there 50x better will you guarantee me a front cover shot on a magazine or win me a car show???
And you could not pay me enough to run ROTAS on my GT-R.
And FYI, I am NOT spoon fed. My GT-R is my ONLY car, and daily driven. Second, i value my set of used BBS wheels (that are about 600 bucks) more than any NEW Set of Rotas. I make less annually than you do probably. And my engine is pretty close to stock.
You have 3 cars? First of all driving an Rx8 is a luxury, and on top of that wheels are another luxury. So don't give me the sob story about how everyone is so poor and trying to make ends meet. If you are at the point of buying an Rx8 and picking wheels, you are not MAKING ENDS meet (you are better off than that).
I never said it is bad to be cheap or be smart with money. You can find a set of good used wheels for 600-900 bucks. It's all priorities.
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10-03-2008, 02:25 AM
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All it takes is for a few cases to completely tarnish a brands image (think american cars).
Maybe your ROTAs that you are driving on may break? Who knows...that is what people mean when they say...you get what you pay for.
And like i said, if real companies that ARE enterprising, and creating did not exist, mosquitos like ROTA would not exist. Because as far as their lineup is concerned....they have no creativity. I will start respecting ROTA if they come up with their OWN stuff instead of copying Work, Rays Engineering, Regamaster, and all the guys who actually did some R&D into their wheels and forging/casting process.
If they WERE creative and had something NEW to offer, they would be charging for it (because no one works for free, and that is human nature). They just make cheap *** wheels for people who care less about their cars. It is the truth, if you don't like, that's hard luck, and not my fault. And your statement proves just that.
Why don't you ask Nissan or GM or Mitsubishi why they don't outsource their OEM wheels to ROTA?? Why do they pick BBS, or Rays Engineering, or Enkei? There is a pretty damn good reason for that, and that is ROTA does not cut it. Same reason OEM manufacturers use IHI, Hitachi, or Garrett for their OEM Turbochargers versus XS power and SS Autochrome chinaman garbage.
Some stuff is PROVEN over and over and over again to work, and that is where reputation and "BRAND NAME" comes from.
Mikeluvs8:
I don't know if AEM and Injen knocks-off other products or they make their own stuff. If they make their own stuff, good for them. We need new ideas, and fresh R & D in this industry.
And you could not pay me enough to run ROTAS on my GT-R.
i bet that wheel ^^^ cost more than bbs, rays, einkei, work, ssr's, ect.....
read this ya dummy..
The company's first production of its Rota brand of wheels was in 1977, with an initial production capacity of 4,000 wheels a month. In just the company's first year, Rota wheels are chosen by Chrysler-Mitsubishi (Philippines) as OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) for its vehicles passing through the stringent OEM specifications of its parent company in Japan.
The following year saw other major car assemblers engaging the services of the company to manufacture their OE wheel requirements for their vehicles. These companies included Ford, Datsun, Isuzu, Mercedes-Benz, Opel and Volkswagen.
thats good for you and your gts and im sure those wheels turn your car into a 10sec car. go on with your bad self and your gts.hey what are you doing on a rx8 forum anyways under a miata name???
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10-03-2008, 02:39 AM
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Here is a little news flash for you: Manufacturer's are always trying to cut costs. It makes sense if Mitsubishi-Chrysler of PHILIPINES, or Toyota of PHILIPINES . Maybe you should have mentioned that the OEM manufacturers that you are using as your sources sold their cars ONLY IN THE PHILIPINES. So yeah, the wheels on the car's wear is equivalent to the value of the car. And, i happened to find only 1 website to back up your source.
Toyota sells 4000 dollar econoboxes in India, they will probably use a local wheel manufacturer to provide OEM wheels too. Years don't mean anything. Hindustan Motors has been making Ambassadors in India since the 60s and their product is still worthless.
Name me one performance car/model that uses ROTA as an OEM wheel.
Maybe ROTA will take the path of hyundai and eventually get better. As of now they still got a long way to go. It's really a shame that a company that is supposedly so great and has been around since 1977 can't come with their own damn designs.
PS: It's not exactly smart of you to use a Youtube video of a CRASHED Ferrari to try to prove that the OEM wheels are junk.
And it's a GT-R. I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points either.
Why am i here, i lurk because i used to own an FC, and a 2001 Miata and i do a few things to help the rotary community.
Toyota sells 4000 dollar econoboxes in India, they will probably use a local wheel manufacturer to provide OEM wheels too. Years don't mean anything. Hindustan Motors has been making Ambassadors in India since the 60s and their product is still worthless.
Name me one performance car/model that uses ROTA as an OEM wheel.
Maybe ROTA will take the path of hyundai and eventually get better. As of now they still got a long way to go. It's really a shame that a company that is supposedly so great and has been around since 1977 can't come with their own damn designs.
PS: It's not exactly smart of you to use a Youtube video of a CRASHED Ferrari to try to prove that the OEM wheels are junk.
And it's a GT-R. I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strong points either.
Why am i here, i lurk because i used to own an FC, and a 2001 Miata and i do a few things to help the rotary community.
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Here is a little news flash for you: Manufacturer's are always trying to cut costs. It makes sense if Mitsubishi-Chrysler of PHILIPINES, or Toyota of PHILIPINES . Maybe you should have mentioned that the OEM manufacturers that you are using as your sources sold their cars ONLY IN THE PHILIPINES. So yeah, the wheels on the car's wear is equivalent to the value of the car. And, i happened to find only 1 website to back up your source.
Toyota sells 4000 dollar econoboxes in India, they will probably use a local wheel manufacturer to provide OEM wheels too. Years don't mean anything. Hindustan Motors has been making Ambassadors in India since the 60s and their product is still worthless.
Name me one performance car/model that uses ROTA as an OEM wheel.
Maybe ROTA will take the path of hyundai and eventually get better. As of now they still got a long way to go. It's really a shame that a company that is supposedly so great and has been around since 1977 can't come with their own damn designs.
Toyota sells 4000 dollar econoboxes in India, they will probably use a local wheel manufacturer to provide OEM wheels too. Years don't mean anything. Hindustan Motors has been making Ambassadors in India since the 60s and their product is still worthless.
Name me one performance car/model that uses ROTA as an OEM wheel.
Maybe ROTA will take the path of hyundai and eventually get better. As of now they still got a long way to go. It's really a shame that a company that is supposedly so great and has been around since 1977 can't come with their own damn designs.
those rims on the ferrari arent rotas explain that ??? you act as if rotas are the only wheels in the world that break.
10-03-2008, 03:03 AM
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no shame in my game!
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10-03-2008, 03:08 AM
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and out of all honesty, i've been a seasonal track ***** and auto-x ***** for a few years already. many people i've seen use rota's on the track on daily driven and had no problems. i've only heard of two or three people that hit a major pot hole that dented the rims pretty easily. i've talked to a lot of g35 and 350z owners who hasn't had a problem with rotas. i'm looking for a set of rota's right now for the track. i'm not advocating that these are GREAT rims or CRAPPY rims, like many said, you get what you pay for and plus, the p45r's i believe are based on the ray's nismo rims and i can't even get them for the 8 regardless, i love the design of the rims and am pretty happy that atleast one company made it universal.
10-03-2008, 03:14 AM
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None of my comments are directed at the Philipines. It just happens to be that Rota is a philipino company that makes products for cars there. I just posted the other side of the coin that you failed to mention.
I don't just hate on Rota. I hate on anyone that copies someone else's hard work. I am an equal opportunity hater.
. Just like ROTA needs to provide cheap wheels, the guys that make original parts need to work just as hard to make real parts. They have families to feed too. 
My main beef with them originally started as them just stealing designs. The problems i had seen and heard about their quality is just icing on the cake. But like you said, a pothole can damage any wheel regardless of make. I just made a statement about my dislike for them originally stealing designs and not coming up with their own stuff. I probably would not care if 99 percent of their designs were not EXACT replicas down to the freakin' spokes and colors.
That ferrari was in a CRASH, a CRASH can take out ANY wheel regardless of MAKE. Let me spell it out for you.
I have nothing against people that run them, or use them and understand the benefits/consequences of doing so. I just stated MY OPINION on the company, and my reasons why.
I don't just hate on Rota. I hate on anyone that copies someone else's hard work. I am an equal opportunity hater.
. Just like ROTA needs to provide cheap wheels, the guys that make original parts need to work just as hard to make real parts. They have families to feed too. My main beef with them originally started as them just stealing designs. The problems i had seen and heard about their quality is just icing on the cake. But like you said, a pothole can damage any wheel regardless of make. I just made a statement about my dislike for them originally stealing designs and not coming up with their own stuff. I probably would not care if 99 percent of their designs were not EXACT replicas down to the freakin' spokes and colors.
That ferrari was in a CRASH, a CRASH can take out ANY wheel regardless of MAKE. Let me spell it out for you.
I have nothing against people that run them, or use them and understand the benefits/consequences of doing so. I just stated MY OPINION on the company, and my reasons why.
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i understand where you're coming from both we both know that there is a large large market out there for knock off stuff. most consumers out there will be knock off merchandise, it goes for rims, shoes, clothing and etc. some of the knock offs are better than the originals, some are not... though rotas are generally knock offs, they provide from the consumer that has a lower budget and im sure a lot do appreciate this. RAYS, YOKOHAMAS, VOLKS, and etc are all wheels that easily add up to 3 grand for a set of 4. Again, im not advocating for or against rotas, i'm just saying there will always be a market for them and there will be a large amount of people purchasing them. some rims styles are not available for cars and companies like rota provide them to the masses. rims are rims like how shoes are shoes, if they work, they work, it doesnt matter of the brand. some "designer" brands are not as good as the frugal ones.
this is just my opinion as well
edit: forgot to ask, do you hate seibon as well miata mx5?
this is just my opinion as well
edit: forgot to ask, do you hate seibon as well miata mx5?
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for the record, I've seen numerous rota wheels being used and abused on the rally racing scene without problems... kinda hard for a small team to thrash a set of wheels that cost a quarter of the amount their car is worth I suppose
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I love how rx8club thinks rotas are cheap and fragile while the EVO community has been using them for years.
Also Miata_MX5 that pic is not proof, its obviously a car accident, not from track or normal driving conditions.
If anyone doesn't agree with ROTA's business practice that is perfectly fine, you are completely entitled to that, but to proclaim they are made of glass is not because you do not know (or understand) the engineering procedure that produces them.
Also Miata_MX5 that pic is not proof, its obviously a car accident, not from track or normal driving conditions.
If anyone doesn't agree with ROTA's business practice that is perfectly fine, you are completely entitled to that, but to proclaim they are made of glass is not because you do not know (or understand) the engineering procedure that produces them.
10-03-2008, 10:41 AM
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I love my rota's, they look great and work very well, 4 lbs lighter that stock so no complaints there either. And no they don't copy exactly, you can tell my rota's are rota's, the spokes are more square, work emotion ka cai are more rounded, and they don't come in gunmetal like the rota's do. And they can handle abuse pretty well, I have a friend who rally races his WRX and sports rota's, and has never had a problem, and he saved money by using rota's and switching to Geico of course.
And to Fluid Motorsports guy, if your so Anti-rota's why are you selling them? If it's something you feel so strongly about you shouldn't compromise your ethics for money. I mean why would you put your name behind something you feel doesn't hold up to the basic standards, wouldn't that be counter productive from a business stand point?
And to Fluid Motorsports guy, if your so Anti-rota's why are you selling them? If it's something you feel so strongly about you shouldn't compromise your ethics for money. I mean why would you put your name behind something you feel doesn't hold up to the basic standards, wouldn't that be counter productive from a business stand point?
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I am not a fan of SOME of Seibon's practices. Agreed they do make some stuff that is their own. Quality is good 70 percent of the time from what i hear.
Would I run it? I don't know enough to make a statement.
Their business practices are hurting others though. (them and VIS). I have seen it personally.
Their copying has not been consistently as blatant as Rota, from what i have seen.
Would I run it? I don't know enough to make a statement.
Their business practices are hurting others though. (them and VIS). I have seen it personally.
Their copying has not been consistently as blatant as Rota, from what i have seen.
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ROTA wheels became popular in Eclipse/Talon forums as well paticularily the sub-zeros as they were a bit lighter than stockers or alot of other aftermarket rims. But I have seen threads on eclipse boards of them cracking near the bolt holes so I would personally stay away, and I think our stockers look better than just about all the rota designs anyway. change for the sake of change usually isnt productive.
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As a consumer, to me it is of little interest how they come out with the rims they do. If it looks good it looks good.