Fate710

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Alright guys I thought I had my mind made up on coilovers, but alas I don't. I was originally going to get the Stance's and be done with it, but I've been reading alot of review's lately that the Megan Coilovers are actually pretty good/decent.

Main things I want out of the coilover:

1. Get low
2. Good Street Ride

Thats it. I have Sprint 2" Drop Springs and I want about another inch to inch and a half lower.

Now if the Megan's can fulfill both of those duties, then I'll get them as they are about $600 cheaper than the Stance's, but if they can't, then I wait longer and get the Stance's.

tboogie000

I would just just go with the stance coilover. I Have them on my 8 and i love them. Every click on the adjustment **** actually makes a difference in ride feel. I've been told by several friends who have megans it is 3-5 clicks til you feel a difference. Therefore making your 32 way adjustment more like 10.6-6.4 way adjustable.

tiltmode43

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Megan coilovers are supposedly same hardware as Apexi coilovers (hardware, not valving) so they aren't entirely garbage (if this is true).

Users say they go very low as well.

Megans wouldn't be too bad a bet, then you can dump the **** out of your car :P

Fate710

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Kind of the same thing I'm thinking. I have found some sweet deals online for the Megan's, and if they can get me to where I want, then its all good.

TopGear8

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^This guy...


Don't listen to him...

Adjusting the **** on cheap coilovers such as Tein...Stance...Megan...Etc... Is like a blind man trying to adjust the focus on a camera.

c0ldf1ame

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^ +1 adjustment is overated

Vlaze

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I'm confused, are you saying you cannot tell the difference or that none of the settings on those coilovers makes a difference? Kind of a twist of position considering you ran Stance and had good words to say about them as well as many other people on here from those on street to those who track.

I find it hard to believe that adjusting them will bring hardly any different in shock performance. Not saying it will be as sensitive as a top of the line model, but with it being only 1-way adjustable you're bound to feel the difference of at least 2 clicks if not 1 I would think.

JinDesu

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I don't think he's saying that adjusting them does nothing... rather, that their are not very consistent or reliable in adjustment. One thing I've always heard about cheap aftermarket shocks/coilovers is that turning the **** 1 click on one shock does not always equal the same values in turning the **** 1 click on another shock.

It's not always about sensitivity. I don't know much about coilovers, but the consistency of the adjustment is what sets Koni's, Penske's, and Bilstein's apart from the rest in shocks.

TopGear8

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^Yes what he said.

I used to be on Stance...correct, untill I realized that I really wasn't happy with them, so I switched to some Double Adjustable shocks. Each shock has 7 different adjustments for compression/rebound. And you CAN actually tell a difference with each click.

TopGear8

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And Ohlins, Sachs, Dynamic, JRZ, and MOTON.

JinDesu

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^and those. Once we get beyond the Koni's and Bilstein's though, we're looking at massive $$$...

Vlaze

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Ah, thanks for the explanation. For racing indeed, they're not something top notch. For 80-90/20-10 street/tracking they're perfect, Stance that is. Dual adjustable is overkill for someone who tracks little which would be, me. I understand the lack of consistent sensitivity on adjustment, but so long there is a broad enough range of adjustment to change to what I need, I'm happy for now.

I'm not sure I'd say Stance is cheap like Megans, they've have good quality and very few people have anything bad to say about them. I'm sure if they track a crap load though then they want better which is understandable. Likely if or when I get into more heavy tracking, then I'll look onto something better for more adjustments. But for finding the setting I want for street/track and leaving it, these are perfect.

JinDesu

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I've heard good things about Stance GRs on street conditions. Dunno anything bout Megan's, but the OP is looking for a) drop, and b) good street ride. I don't think track performance and being very adjustable is a big deal for him. I've seen a lot of threads that say Megan's ride pretty well on the street.

TopGear8

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I've been on Megans and Stance...Now Moton's...

For what the OP is looking for...he'll be happy with Megans..

c0ldf1ame

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just because you can feel a difference between adjustaments doesnt mean its doing good for the car, just because it turned stiffer doesn't always necessarily mean you have more grip.

how would you know that each of your corners all have the same damping, sometimes aftermarket shocks dont even have consistent valving on any 4 given shocks

JinDesu

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Usually it's based on reputation. For example, I remember a comparison done between Koni's and Tokico brand shocks - the guy did shock dynos of several shocks (same car, different corners, several of each) and found out that Koni's were very consistent out of the box while the Tokico's were not. His conclusion was that Koni's were well matched out of the box, and were perfect for use in race specifications. The Tokico's would need to be matched (some of them could be adjusted to full soft, and still be stiffer than half soft of others of the same type), which made them very unreliable out of the box.

Of course, when we go by reputation only, we have to assume that the company kept up it's standards (or remained crappy).

c0ldf1ame

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how do you like the motons? i was looking at ohlins earlier but decided to get bilstein revalves, what spring rates are you running if you dont mind me asking

TopGear8

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Installed them Friday, had an event on Saturday. I'm running Hypercoils 560F/390R. With the RB rear sway bar I had LOTS of oversteer, will be taking out the rear sway altogether and see if that helps me put more power down.

tiltmode43

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Aren't we being a bit harsh here, with regards to a blind man trying to focus a camera? If one can notice adjustability, that's a noticeable change. With regards to discernible sensitivity, I get what you are implying though...

Also, which Teins have you tried? I know name's often sell due to marketing, rather than a solid product, but Stance GR and Megan hover around the 1k mark whereas Teins, JIC, etc can make it to the $2k mark. Really, just curious as I've heard some great things about these upper tier "cheap" coilovers.

If the adjustments give different feedback to the driver, allowing the driver to make different inputs, how can "feeling" the difference not be a good thing?

Race Roots

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Mike is spot on. I have noticed the same thing as well. It is what it is. I am not looking to spend 4k on suspension nor am I am track addict like he is.

I have Driven on Megans, Stance GR+ Pro's, Tein Flex and the list goes on. They weren't for the same car but I came to the same conclusion. Adjustment is over rated and not dialed in like you would think. Mike had some testing done to his stance coilovers and they were no where near consistent in terms of adjustment.

The only difference between all the above listed coilovers are collar styles and types as well as the "shock valving". Not to mention the different "spring rates"

For what the OP wants to do he is right on, I have used the MR Coilovers at a track event and I was content. I have daily driven them and they are just like any other.

You are honestly paying for brand name until you get to the big name suspension systems already mentioned.

c0ldf1ame

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what if the extra stiffness you feel is not actual increased shock damping but just unsymmetrical rebound and compression causing you to ride more on your bumpstops,

bse50

Countless time we simply told to our friends and customers that we stiffened their set-up and they came back yelling how stiffer the car was feeling as well... while all we did was going out to take a coffee. Making fun of them is the best part. Feeling 1 click out of 32 makes you a talented pro race car driver.
I tried several shocks and ended up with a cheap set of D2 coilovers as a base. Those were revalved to my specs from the italian distributor and so far so good i have to say that i'm pleased with them. The 32 clicks are bullsh!t though, as somebody mentioned you really feel the difference each 5-6 clicks and you need accelerometers and a chronometer to NOTICE it
For a street set-up in a car that barely sees the track if at all just get a nice set of the less adjustable coilovers that you can find from a reputable brand and don't waste money on regulations you'll never need\feel!

tiltmode43

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In order for this to happen, you would have to be very low to not realize you are bouncing off the bump stops! Also, I think this would be apparent with snap oversteer, if you're talking about mid-turn feeling...

I believe there is a difference between full stiff and full soft on most coilovers I've dealt with (HKS Hipermax, Tanabe Sustec pro7, Tein HE, etc). I am fully aware that the placebo effect can have a huge impact but I do not believe there is no discernible difference between the 'soft' and 'hard' settings of these coilovers.
No doubt that number of adjustments is bullshit, I don't think anyone would try to disagree there!

Like I said, can someone enlighten me as to how performance of a JIC FLT-TAR and Megan Racing Street coilover will both be relatively equal? The way some of you make it sound is as if there is no reason to get any one coilover setup over another, unless choosing the highest of quality. I'll stick to legitimate brands such as KW, Bilstein, etc over Megan, K-Sport, etc any day of the week. I fail to be convinced there is no considerable difference between the two...

Also, is this to say the GR Plus would be no worse than the GR 3-way? Remember, the Plus is their entry level coilover and from what I've gathered, Stance seems to be well marketed more than anything else (rather than race-proven). This is why I asked TopGear which Teins he had used because from the looks, he has tried some Megans and some entry level coilovers by a brand that I have seen no real die-hard racing support of (unlike the seemingly higher quality JIC, KW, etc)

In short, obviously the 'top of the line' stuff will be on another level than the cheaper competitors. The qualm I have is with grouping all of these cheaper competitors into one group, claiming them to all be of equal performance.

TopGear8

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Take some Teins to a shock dyno..and you will see why they are shitty...

imput1234

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^You cant group all the different coilovers made by TEINS or whatever BRAND in the same level. ie basic and src are not the same, and they are both made by TEIN.