brightnova

If somebody wants to PM me, I can give you my email addy or MSN username so you can send me the file. I can put it up on a site and provide a link here.

Zaku-8

sorry let me rephrase... why should the 1100 rpm failsafe engage if the engine temp is under 140 degrees F?

zerohour

Well just yesterday I was driving with ac on and not even agressive at all. Temp was about the 100s here in so cal west covina area and we get to outback to eat. I have not used my ac for about 6 months since I dont really like to fill up every 2 days lol. Anyway i thought yesterdays heat warrented it. Well wouldnt you know to my suprise guess whats on when I come back to my car and turn it on? CEL.....

I have a 2004 RX8 31k miles..

Honestly I waited for this car for 9 years before it was even released i followed every update and loved it when it was finally released.

But honestly what kind of sports car or even sports coupe for that matter cant take a normal drive around town with ac on without throwing a CEL??

Heat should be one of the first things addressed with a sports car and how to manage it.

I feel really bad for those who are planning to turbo thiers.

Awsome concept for a car, beautiful chassis, Innovative too. I am just not sure that mazda did all their homework before releasing this baby although they sure as heck had the time and i know that from waiting years for it.

I now wish that i would have taken the buyback so i could have put down on a elise.

Now this is just one thing that ive experienced with this car there are many worksmanship details that are starting to tick me off as well. Things breaking on my car becuause of heat sunvisors seperating just because, overheating with correct oil levels and coolant levels and the list goes on.

Im just hoping that nothing happends to the seals at all which i dont suspect should happen since we are non turboed and the design is very different from the FD.

At this point mazda tried to prevent crap from happening thats obvious but now that alot of crap has been happening its come down to managing of the crap to keep PR damage to a minimal.

I honestly may be trading in my car for an elise (very likely) once i find a decent used price.

I dont mean to be such a downer and im not on here all the time because I dont buy into the constant board bs that always goes on. I mean theres some good info but a majority of it is just opnion and we all know the analogy about opnion. I only speak from experience my car is at mazda atm I think it may be time to cut my losses and grab the elise before value goes way down on these cars.

A awsome thing is even after two years it turns heads and demands compliments so resale should stay fairly stable for a bit.

Thanks for the info on this issue i thought i was a single instance of a freak problem (well at least i was hoping i was).

Good luck to you all in all your endevors and ill let yall know what i end up doing. Ill share pics if i get the elise : ).

zoom44

you have no idea what your cel is for.

missinmahseven

We will be waiting, with baited breath, for your illustrious update.

Just curious -- what did the service guys have to say about the overheat?

Did you get the visors replaced? Mine are fine, tyank you, even in triple-digit heat.

Just today it was 100 to 103, and I was out, AC on, window open, smokin' a ciggie (makes the AC work double extra triple hard, ya know), and DOGGIN the hell out of the car.. beep shifts on first 2 gears at every place I could, just generally driving like a hooligan. Did this for a good four hours just for the hell of it, like I usually do on weekends. I don't ever baby this car unless she's warming up from a cold start.

No problems. Ever. No cels, no nothin'.

Not all 8's are as craptacular as you make yours out to be.

Maybe you need to have yours looked over by a competent mazda tech.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you need to understand this is still pretty much a first-year car, and there are bound to be issues, no matter how careful the factory was.

Or maybe I'm just sore because this thread has brought out the whiniest, most thick-headed and outright ignorant posts I've seen since I've been here.

You claim to have waited for the 8 for all that time, yet you ditch it at the first signs of trouble.. no faith. Or is it that you didn't even bother getting it fixed properly?

Whatever. I stopped caring right after reading your post. I've had it with the ignorance and whineniness exhibited over this car. Every ******* armchair engineer has an opionion on what's wrong with it, and NOT A ONE OF 'EM KNOWS THE CAR LIKE MAZDA DOES.

zoom44

NAVILESRX8

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Missinmahseven, I have been pretty much saying all that since I started posting on here.........too many whiney instant-gratification types on here.......2 years later and there is still a new post a day about gas mileage, dyno #'s, misc little things breaking......man....I would have hated to see these miserable jokers when the FD came out.....good thing there was no internet back then....the complaining would have surely ruined Mazda's rep to the point we would never have seen another rotary again........


also I am getting my 8 ready tonight for a nice floggin' at an autocross tommorrow........and I know about the pending control arm recall.......

grapes

Great post "missinmahseven "- my sentiments exactly, and you stated it so eloquently. Nice job. I wonder if he's ever owned a Lotus--- great engineering horrible qual. control. Boy is he in for a surprice.

grapes

NAVILESRX8-i like your thought process too-let's just enjoy our cars!!

zerohour

Please read my post again and then respond intellegently. I love this car but i have had non stop problems. I am not over reacting this is from my own personal experience. Yours may differ depending on when you purchased your car whay cycle our cars were in.

I am not jumping to conclusions I am only making a very educated guess going on what you all have been saying and by what the tech was just telling me today which is basically very similar to what everyone else has said.

I am an enthusiast, I love to drive my 8 and the only time i even refer to this board now is to check up on a tsb if my car is displaying a problem to see if someone else may have some insight from experience etc not to deal with someone who hasnt even had to deal with any of this at all (which I am very glad you havent had to) please understand this is very fusterating.

I would not drop the car for one or two problems I have had the car about 2 years It overheats on long trips with optimal oil and coolant, things are comming off for no reason, this is the third time in total i have gotten a CEL on a completely stock car that I maintain perfectly. I received my car while people still had thiers on order. I think this may be why mine is displaying these symptoms. My case is mine and my own I am no way saying that everyones car is going to be crap the end is neigh lol. I am only saying in MY case with my particular car thi s has been my experience.

Now if this is whining then just grin and bear it. When the warrenty comes off I will start having to shell out the dollars for repairing it myslef if i had someone else do it id be in an even worse condition. Like the seven owners say if you dont know how to work on a rortary you will learn unless your rich lol.

One last thing, True, I dont know yet what the CEL is telling me yet but the way the tech is speaking about it it appears that some electronics may have been damaged or something he needs to run more tests but he thinks its related to this as well.

Anyone else who is experiencing this issue feel free to share any insight as to what your solution was. If you havent had an issue yet you really shouldnt be saying anything at all unless it makes sense.

I have a friend with an esprit and its the most confusing friggin car in the world wires everywhere alot the same color making it hard to figuire out however they have come along way the same way mazda has. I love my 8 I just hate the crap that keeps me away from it sometimes by nearly a week at a time.

missinmahseven

Did I read you right, that your tech is connecting the overheats to the recall issue, and the fact that rotaries run a little hotter than boingers? Because that's what has been being discussed in this particular thread. None of the posts in this thread, up till yours, were about overheats.

If that's what he's saying, find a new tech.. and if your current tech is Mazda, get MNAO involved.

An overheat is a failure of the coolant system -- be it hoses, waterpump, heat exchangers, sensors or engine block proper. The 8 has enough capacity to cool under any condition, probably excluding forced induction. SOmething is amiss in your car, and guess what..

None of it has to do with the recall issue. As for the 'falling parts', none of it is recall issue either.

How well do you know the rotary? Or any engine? Can you see why your post, and what your tech tells you is raising a BS flag with me?


It's not your job to troubleshoot this car, it's MNAOs, and they're pretty shoddy and inconsitent from shop to shop. A shame, really. You can help 'em. But to do that you need to understand how each system in this car works. You need to, so you can spot bullshit when you hear it. And I think your tech is giving you some right now. If he's connecting the recall to the overheat, that is.

If in the 2 years you've had this car you've not been able to get it fixed, the problem really isn't the car, it's the dealer you're taking it to. You had the misfortune of getting stuck with the runt of the litter. If that were my case, I would be making some serious noise to have the dealer either swap the engine out, or get a new car of the same type, but newer build date.

You say you've had several overheats. Are they documented? You got receipts saying they looked at your complaint about overheating and couldn't find anything? You have 3 of those or more? Then lemon-law it. Make the dealer work for you. Same for the CELs. Do you have the trouble codes for each and every one of those cels? Are they repeating? Then lemon it. Make noise. You paid good money for Mazda's flagship. If MNAO doesn't give a ****, then perhaps Hiroshima will.

Or is that just too much trouble? I can see where you're soured by the whole deal -- I'd be red in the face, myself. But I'd be all over my dealer, like a cheap suit, till they either fixed it right, or got me another car. But that's just what I'd do. I'd be working at the highest level I could reach to be put right. But that's just me. I wouldn't let it turn into a two-year fiasco.

Oh, I found your line about intelligence charming, to say the least.

Gomez

Lets start at the top!! Whiiiiiiney, gallop, gallop, gallop.....

Vehicle must be stopped for Free Rev Mode to be valid......all three conditions must be met. The PCM will default the engine to idle (900rpm) when the relevant time period/rpm level has elapsed.

Gomez

It wont. It will default to 2700rpm to allow the car to be driven with a inoperative throttle. Realise that we are talking about a failed accelerator here. Push down, no response. This mode sets the rpm to 2700 and you can drive along hunky dory. However, should you slow down with the engine temp over 140 deg f, with vehicle speed less than 2mph, and transmission in neutral (or park), and stay that way for five minutes.......then the rpm will drop to 1100.

Gomez.

Gomez

No, don't call the dealer...wait for the recall letter.

Dealers have been/are being shipped enough heat blankets for in stock Group 1 RX-8's only. They have been told to repair only in stock RX-8's at this point in time. MNAO does not expect the dealers to find any heat damaged items on new in-stock RX-8's, and has not priority shipped any parts other than the insulation blanket.

Wait for the recall letter, dealers should have spares for heat damage repairs in stock in August.

thew

Hey MY Rx8 Get's really Bad MPG a.. ahahahahahaha

Gomez

stop smokin' those funny cigarettes, thew.

Razz1

I'm glad they are going to check the plastic cage for shifting.

Gomez

They wont....unless they find some underbody damage first. That's the precursor to removing the shifter for inspection.

sharward

Gomez and Zoom44, thank you for your dedication to posting the facts on this most interesting and important issue.
I just purchased and took delivery from dealer stock of my 2005 model four days ago (July 20). Mine is an April 2005 build and, obviously, within the VIN range included in the group 2 instructions. There was no mention of any recall during my purchase.

What I find interesting is that there is no recall campaign label under my hood. I also set up an account on myMAZDA and, according to the system, "There are no Recalls for your specified vehicle." (I wonder if that means there are no open recalls for my vehicle... )

Sigma

Sounds very likely that the recall wasn't performed. And myMazda shouldn't list the recall until you receive notice, which could be anytime next month.

Go48

Yeah well, I have a Group 1 car and I have no recalls either on MyMazda. Until Mazda "officially" notifies owners of the recalls by mail, I wouldn't expect to see them listed on that web site.

zerohour

Ya, I was ticked a bit yesterday sorry for the focused crap. Good response although i have one more instance needed to get some lemon law action on this one for this particular issue I had other issues as well for a while.

I didnt mean to be a d*** i was just pissed sorry about that.

RotaryGoober

What Mazda really should have done was market a 2 door Rx7 type car to the rotary faithfull that would buy and love anything with a Wankel in it no matter what the problems. Let that live for a few years and THEN come out with a car for the folks with kids, needing four doors, *sedan generation sports car*. You know, let the folks that wanted a rotary car so much that they would be the *test bunnies* and when it's totally free from defects, bring out the *sports car sedan version*. Don't bring out your *test bed* for the masses. Mazda has shot itself in the foot again. Why is it that the company that has brought us the pinnacle of cars like the Miata, doesn't completely do it's homework when it come to the flagship? Or did we just get lucky with the Miata?