MrJynx

HAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!

Ok, SO i've had my 8 since jun 04. Have no flooded it ONCE!!! I'm storing it for the winter and haven't touched it in just over a month now.. Well it turns out I didn't park the car close enough to the house so my bloody DAD decides to move it without telling me..

Since the first day I got my 8 I told everyone in my house, you touch the car or do anything like move it YOU WAIT FOR THE ENGINE TO WARM UP!!!

So i'm about to go out with friends right now and since the weather is decent I wanted to take the 8 out, but my god damn car won't start!!!!!!! I just asked my dad who moved it (my seat was off a bit) and he said I did, his response is well i just moved it 2 feet why would it flood!!


GGGGAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.. I'm so pissed off!!! bloody hell! I've told him at least ocne a week for the last year! And he still didn't listen, his response was "well that's a pretty shitty car" WTF!!!!


MrJynx

otherside

Yup, you did exactly what your not supposed to do. Fault of the vehicle, I think not...

Sephiroth

I feel for you man. I put my rotary in a place where no will touch it.

mcaul

Ok. I was way wrong. Somewhere between the shop and home I picked up a plastic bag on the cat. That's the burning smell I got. Has nothing to do with the flooding.


BTW - The service rep told me that Mazda has a kit for the flooding. It consists of the new starter and plugs. From my invoice it looks like its part number N3Y1-18-S70. The battery was separate. The car cranks and starts much quicker now. Its a nice fix.

G8rboy

No offense, but I doubt you have a lot of experience based on your vehicle's year and your join date. If you want to absolutely guarantee it not to flood, you have to let it warm up past the "C". I agree with the rev up and shut off procedure as an added safety measure, but I wouldn't trust it 100% by itself. Take it from someone in a very cold climate that lived through the first two winters (2003 and 2004) of the flooding hysteria (prior to the latest ECU flashes that address the problem) and has never had a problem.

Also, the better way to shut it down it to is to rev it up to 4k for a few seconds, and kill the ignition while holding revs. The oil metering pump continues to protect the motor, while the excess fuel is expelled.

ranny3

Ouch! I have a 2004 also, and I park inside (from montreal, canada where its -40 lol)... AND my dad moved the car a few feet - but it didn't flood ! ... i feel for you dude, i'm always telling everyone they have to let it warm up for 1-2min... damn that sucks

Deslock

mantis32

'feature' ahha. I'll keep you all posted on the lemon law case. If I knew I would suffer with such a feature, I probably would have kept on looking. But i'm stuck with it now, so I'll deal. Kudos for those who don't have to deal with such an issue. I didn't ask the dealership what they've done with the car, I figured they are tired of watching my car get towed in so often. As for those who say sell it, it'll sure be up for sale before the warranty is up.

Detrich

Hahahahahaha. That made me laugh out loud.

CERAMICSEAL

I had to bring this quote back. You totally missed the point he was making and chose his referrence to a luxury brand as if that were the main point.
Firstly I consider myself a rather conservative person and therefore believe in personal responsibilty but let's not throw common sense and logic out the window, please. The attitudes toward the majority of those who have flooded is quite hostile in general. Because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it won't. Because you are a lover of rotaries or up to speed with the necessary rituals doesn't mean that eveyone else needs to be. Lot's of ordinary people bought these cars (Not just weirdos like us). A lot of women have bought them, a lot of business people, all kinds of people. Part of the point that the Goober was making is that some bought this car while considering cars like G35s and Lexus IS and BMW3 series. A certain percentage of them have had bad experiences and will not return to Mazda. My problem with that is, my strong interest in the health of Mazda and the hope for the continuation of the rotary is put in jeopardy by the problems of the present car. There are people in high places who would like to see it go away and there are people in high places who would love to see it thrive. There are some carefully evaluating with nothing but dollars and sense as a guidline. This thing is bigger than some of you realize and by that I mean the whole asessment picture but I would like to add to that the flooding deal.
I have the right to speak on this topic since I own 5 Mazdas including 2 RX7s and an RX8 and no, I haven't flooded.

RX8_GT

CERAMICSEAL is correct - the issue of flooding does threaten the future of the rotary engine. Of all the major manufacturers - only Mazda has struck with the rotary. The Rx-8 has to be a success in the marketplace - or it will die outside of Japan and Australia IMHO.

As you can see I'm a Mazda fan - check my signature - dating back to my first RX-7 in 1985 to now - owning four Mazdas.

But the market really expects a modern $30,000 car - sports or otherwise - to start without question or special treatment for the first 5 years - usually the length of the payments.

I just got back from the dealer - had a new battery / starter / plugs - I really hope this is the end of hard starts and flooding for me. If not I'll just deal with it but the market will not.

I love the RX-8 - but do fear for its future.

CERAMICSEAL

Did they do a re-flash on yours or were you already on a recent flash?

RX8_GT

I had the latest flash - no re-flash I can see on receipt. The car had been a lttle hard to start - a few seconds --- then not driven for about two weeks - re-started OK after not being driven - but the next AM flooded. Had to charge battery three times during re-start attempts. A ton of smoke.

Now seems to start instantly after the recent work.

CERAMICSEAL

Sounds good. I wish they were like this from day one.
The other thing is there are dealers who did some of these things but not all in the past, a recipe for a repeat flood. Mazda wasn't sure how they wanted to deal with this problem in the past, sometimes opting to only pay for some and not for others. The penny pinchers and bean counters had better count the cost in lost customers and potential customers. Batteries and starters are a joke in comparison.

RX8_GT

"No Start" has been a central issue on many safety recalls - interesting that the issue of flooding without warning has not ben raised to that level.

Even if not Mazda should update all RX-8 to the new battery / starter and plugs IMHO.

NEWireless

Bought mine in Sept '03.

40,000mi - no problems.

Wife borrows car (knows all about warm-up issue).

Uncle moves car 30' to plow driveway = flooded and stuck in NH!

Mazda is really saying don't buy this car if:

1. You live somewhere with tandem parking.
2. You might have a valet park your car.
3. You have to leave your car somewhere for service.

You shouldn't have to have someone sign a letter-of-understanding before you give them your keys.

It's an awesome car as long as you never let anyone else touch it.

Has anyone been able to re-start using the published procedure without having to go to the dealership?

Steakboy42

I have had my car for about 4 months. I personally have not flooded it. I bought it used (03 build date). i took it to get the center console and under the hood painted and I told the body shop how to shut it down properly with the 3k rev. i had a call the next day, they flooded it. after he was done with the work i had it towed and the body shop told me that it was a stupid car and that he would never own one. he actually said to a mazda service person when i called them "you knowingly sell these cars to people?" I wanted to smack the guy. how about this darwinian phrase:
RX-8: weeding out the non-enthuseists since 2004
oh well, i still love my 8

-Steakboy

MAZDA-TECH

Here is a technique to use to unflood yuor Rx-8.
1.disconnect the air pump so you dont ruin the cats.
2.Hold the gas peddle to the floor.
3.then crank the engine for about 10 seconds, this will clean out the fuel in the cylinders.
4.after you have cleared out the cylinders
5.try cranking the engine
6.if the engine starts get the rpms up to above 2200 rpms, this will finish cleaning out the cylinders.
7.If the car doesn't start, try the proccedure again

MAZDA-TECH

by holding the gas peddle down, it tells the computer to shut off the fuel going to the engine.

jlookretis

I live in UP STATE ny and have flooded my 8 about 3 times not knowing about the 10 min deal, but never had it towed. Just fixd it myself, but about how many times does a regualar rx8 tick, that hasnt been flooded?? thanks

sharward

Perhaps he's asking about the number of rev's it takes before the engine starts...