Notices
Series I Trouble Shooting This is the place to learn more about or discuss any issues you're having with your RX-8

It finally happened

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 10:28 AM
  #201  
Jedi54's Avatar
Administrator
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 22,601
Likes: 3,460
From: The Dark Side
Good luck with the rebuild Ray, we'll see you in a few days.
Send Eric over there to drag Todd out of bed or at least steal his camera
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 10:29 AM
  #202  
alnielsen's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,255
Likes: 8
From: Buddhist Monastery, High Himalaya Mtns. of Tibet
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
Right now I'm not running anything (no dam car) but will be using meth.
Smoking or Drinking?
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 11:14 AM
  #203  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
Originally Posted by alnielsen
Smoking or Drinking?
Open container in the car!!! What do you meen officer, I'm not drinking this, it's my car
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 11:45 AM
  #204  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler. The front bumper support actually works as a heat sink also with my set up--you tried that?
If you did and temps are still not controlled --need a bigger secondary radiator?
Only thing left would be a damn co2 sprayer and thats not partical.
dmannnn!
OD
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 12:10 PM
  #205  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Phil has forbidden me from posting anything further in any thread until his car is done so I won't be able to discuss his engine, the rebuild process, nor post any pix. I have tried to contact Flashwong (haha) but he hasn't texted me back so................
I did not forbid you from posting, I just told you to get busy on my engine. Hell how can I forbid anything 400 miles from you and no car to get to you (sounds good).
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 12:14 PM
  #206  
simplyphp's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
From: Dallas, TX
Threaten not to pay him
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 12:21 PM
  #207  
MazdaManiac's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 16,386
Likes: 28
From: Under my car
Originally Posted by olddragger
phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler.
I have a second radiator.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 12:21 PM
  #208  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
Originally Posted by olddragger
phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler. The front bumper support actually works as a heat sink also with my set up--you tried that?
If you did and temps are still not controlled --need a bigger secondary radiator?
Only thing left would be a damn co2 sprayer and thats not partical.
dmannnn!
OD
I know we tried two radiators and no workie but I don't understand how you got it in front of the bumper support? I will have to think about that for a bit.
I see that MM has two but I know we tried it but I don't remember the configuration and actual locations. Hell who knows after the rebuild I man no have that problem (yea and the pope aint Catholic)

Last edited by Phil's 8; Oct 31, 2008 at 12:27 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 09:50 PM
  #209  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
MM had to mount his inside the engine compartment. he has a fan on it and as far as i know he is running the stock thermostat. he also doesnt use the heater hose to feed it.he cant mount his up front because of that big old intercooler he has up there.
You have to move the second rad up front for the coolest possible air flow and lots of it. You simply make a hanging aluminum strip hanger for each end of the cooler and drill the front bumper support to bolt it on. Mount it with these hanger type mounts. see my pics in the pettit thread.
there is also a reason to use the return heater hose--its a non thermostat controlled source so coolant will flow all the time this way. A tad longer to warm up
but otherwise you are not even aware of this.
That is why mine is running too cool in these low ambients. to fix this i just hook the heater hose back together --disconnecting my 2nd radiator for the winter. its a 5 min job.
the position of this second rad and the source of its coolant is critical.
OD
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2008 | 11:14 PM
  #210  
Brettus's Avatar
Boosted Kiwi
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 20,845
Likes: 1,799
From: Y-cat-o NZ
I have a 2nd one in a very awesome location
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2008 | 09:02 PM
  #211  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Phil has forbidden me from posting anything further in any thread until his car is done so I won't be able to discuss his engine, the rebuild process, nor post any pix. I have tried to contact Flashwong (haha) but he hasn't texted me back so................
No, I just said not to post all over the place. You are aloud to post here any time (I need a fix as to the current conditions)
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2008 | 09:44 PM
  #212  
morkusyambo's Avatar
Dongbag extrordinare
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,090
Likes: 0
From: Away from the fruits of my labor
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
You should NEVER operate a rotary motor under load with coolant or oil temps below 160°F.
I understand about letting the coolant get up to temp, but I would have to let the car idle for half an hour on a slightly cold morning for the oil to get to 160. Even if I just started it and drove off, it would still take 15+minutes of babying the car to get it to that temp. Besides, wouldn't it still be under "load", or did you mean boost??

I forgot to mention I am using 10w40, and have an oil temp gauge installed.
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2008 | 07:42 AM
  #213  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
different people have different ideas about the actual temp that is best before you place a load on the engine. some say 140F some say 150 and some say 160.
the basic principle is correct. the oil and coolant need to be warm before the engine is subjected to any type load.
load is defined as the work the engine has to do. so if the car has stopped its warm up cycle(rpms at idle down) it is ok to "drive" the car. yet i do not go over 3K or place much throttle on the car until my temps are at 140-160 range.
the engine really needs to operate above 160 F to take care of the water etc produced while running.
OD
Reply
Old Nov 3, 2008 | 04:05 PM
  #214  
alz0rz's Avatar
hakuna matata!
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 6,002
Likes: 3
From: NYC
that is uber "in yer face", from the dealership themselves?!
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 01:20 PM
  #215  
Easy_E1's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,675
Likes: 5
From: Bellevue WA
Well she's out! I just sent Jedi54 a pic that I hope he will post.
Just to make a believer out of Phil. I can't post pics at work.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 01:38 PM
  #216  
Jedi54's Avatar
Administrator
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 22,601
Likes: 3,460
From: The Dark Side
got the pic. But whose ugly mug is that in the photo???




Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 03:03 PM
  #217  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
It's finally out of the car!!!!!
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:17 PM
  #218  
Jedi54's Avatar
Administrator
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 22,601
Likes: 3,460
From: The Dark Side
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
It's finally out of the car!!!!!
I think they cheated and just took a picture of Easy's engine!
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 04:31 PM
  #219  
bse50's Avatar
#50
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,521
Likes: 11
From: Caput Mundi
which one? =p
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 05:58 PM
  #220  
Easy_E1's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,675
Likes: 5
From: Bellevue WA
Originally Posted by Jedi54
got the pic. But whose ugly mug is that in the photo???

Why tha's Ray.


Originally Posted by Phil's 8
It's finally out of the car!!!!!
Yes Phil now if we can just get it out of the back of the Jeep.

Originally Posted by Jedi54
I think they cheated and just took a picture of Easy's engine!
Now why would we do that. We're not,,, I better not say anything.

Originally Posted by bse50
which one? =p
HAHAHAHA. I'm trying to get # 5
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2008 | 06:32 PM
  #221  
bse50's Avatar
#50
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,521
Likes: 11
From: Caput Mundi
Originally Posted by Easy_E1
HAHAHAHA. I'm trying to get # 5
I have a couple of cores on their way home :p
I guess that if a mazda inspectors visits me he'll think of smuggling seeing parts everywhere :D
As long as a rebuild costs about 7000€ here, and a new engine 9800\12000€ i guess that people will prefer a law student doing it for fun and a pizza

Phil is so lucky having Ray there, i wouldn't want myself as my own engine rebuilder
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 06:28 AM
  #222  
Phil's 8's Avatar
Thread Starter
FI by Pettit-BHR-Cobb AP
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,026
Likes: 2
From: Sin City, Nevada
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
We may end up having to rebuild it inside the Jeep! So much for proper clearances and blueprinting...........
Some how I don't think that Mechelle will allow that. You know Jedi has a point, that could be one of Easy_E1's old engines since he is the only guy I know that is trying for the 5th one.

Originally Posted by bse50
Phil is so lucky having Ray there, i wouldn't want myself as my own engine rebuilder
Nether would I Oh I just had to say that, I could not pass it up. Ray has been the only outside mechanic to touch my engine since I started modding it. Jeff has been it's tuner ever since modding started also. Some how I got it right the first time.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 11:26 AM
  #223  
Jedi54's Avatar
Administrator
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 22,601
Likes: 3,460
From: The Dark Side
new day = new pic. C'mon Easy, your'e slacking!
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 12:40 PM
  #224  
bse50's Avatar
#50
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 7,521
Likes: 11
From: Caput Mundi
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
Nether would I Oh I just had to say that, I could not pass it up. Ray has been the only outside mechanic to touch my engine since I started modding it. Jeff has been it's tuner ever since modding started also. Some how I got it right the first time.

Lucky you
there's no rotary tuner here in italy... i had to teach my mechanic how to do stuff (he has a good shop, even paying him i end up even because of the tools he has) but i rebuild\tune\do stuff that can be done on jackstands for me and my friends.
Well, everybody calls me from everywhere so i must be at least FUNNY to watch
Btw if i'm now able to do the stuff i do is 80% Charles' merit and 20% madness (or my "scottish" side that makes me do stuff instead of paying others?)
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 06:39 PM
  #225  
09Factor's Avatar
Original Turbo 'd Auto !!
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,136
Likes: 5
From: Surprise, Arizona
Yea Its out of the car ! just in time for SSXII
Reply


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:46 AM.