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Jedi54 10-31-2008 10:28 AM

Good luck with the rebuild Ray, we'll see you in a few days.
Send Eric over there to drag Todd out of bed or at least steal his camera

alnielsen 10-31-2008 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2707604)
Right now I'm not running anything (no dam car) but will be using meth.

Smoking or Drinking? :)

Phil's 8 10-31-2008 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by alnielsen (Post 2707751)
Smoking or Drinking? :)

:40oz: Open container in the car!!! What do you meen officer, I'm not drinking this, it's my car:all_cohol

olddragger 10-31-2008 11:45 AM

phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler. The front bumper support actually works as a heat sink also with my set up--you tried that?
If you did and temps are still not controlled --need a bigger secondary radiator?
Only thing left would be a damn co2 sprayer and thats not partical.
dmannnn!
OD

Phil's 8 10-31-2008 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2707744)
Phil has forbidden me from posting anything further in any thread until his car is done so I won't be able to discuss his engine, the rebuild process, nor post any pix. I have tried to contact Flashwong (haha) but he hasn't texted me back so................:dunno:

I did not forbid you from posting, I just told you to get busy on my engine. Hell how can I forbid anything 400 miles from you and no car to get to you (sounds good).

simplyphp 10-31-2008 12:14 PM

Threaten not to pay him :lol2::FIREdevil :boid:

MazdaManiac 10-31-2008 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 2707868)
phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler.

I have a second radiator.

Phil's 8 10-31-2008 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 2707868)
phil---you tried a secondary radiator placed up front? I know MM cant do that due to his intercooler. The front bumper support actually works as a heat sink also with my set up--you tried that?
If you did and temps are still not controlled --need a bigger secondary radiator?
Only thing left would be a damn co2 sprayer and thats not partical.
dmannnn!
OD

I know we tried two radiators and no workie but I don't understand how you got it in front of the bumper support? I will have to think about that for a bit.
I see that MM has two but I know we tried it but I don't remember the configuration and actual locations. Hell who knows after the rebuild I man no have that problem (yea and the pope aint Catholic)

olddragger 10-31-2008 09:50 PM

MM had to mount his inside the engine compartment. he has a fan on it and as far as i know he is running the stock thermostat. he also doesnt use the heater hose to feed it.he cant mount his up front because of that big old intercooler he has up there.
You have to move the second rad up front for the coolest possible air flow and lots of it. You simply make a hanging aluminum strip hanger for each end of the cooler and drill the front bumper support to bolt it on. Mount it with these hanger type mounts. see my pics in the pettit thread.
there is also a reason to use the return heater hose--its a non thermostat controlled source so coolant will flow all the time this way. A tad longer to warm up
but otherwise you are not even aware of this.
That is why mine is running too cool in these low ambients. to fix this i just hook the heater hose back together --disconnecting my 2nd radiator for the winter. its a 5 min job.
the position of this second rad and the source of its coolant is critical.
OD

Brettus 10-31-2008 11:14 PM

I have a 2nd one in a very awesome location ;)

Phil's 8 11-01-2008 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2707744)
Phil has forbidden me from posting anything further in any thread until his car is done so I won't be able to discuss his engine, the rebuild process, nor post any pix. I have tried to contact Flashwong (haha) but he hasn't texted me back so................:dunno:

No, I just said not to post all over the place. You are aloud to post here any time (I need a fix as to the current conditions)

morkusyambo 11-01-2008 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2706268)
You should NEVER operate a rotary motor under load with coolant or oil temps below 160°F.

I understand about letting the coolant get up to temp, but I would have to let the car idle for half an hour on a slightly cold morning for the oil to get to 160. Even if I just started it and drove off, it would still take 15+minutes of babying the car to get it to that temp. Besides, wouldn't it still be under "load", or did you mean boost??

I forgot to mention I am using 10w40, and have an oil temp gauge installed.

olddragger 11-02-2008 07:42 AM

different people have different ideas about the actual temp that is best before you place a load on the engine. some say 140F some say 150 and some say 160.
the basic principle is correct. the oil and coolant need to be warm before the engine is subjected to any type load.
load is defined as the work the engine has to do. so if the car has stopped its warm up cycle(rpms at idle down) it is ok to "drive" the car. yet i do not go over 3K or place much throttle on the car until my temps are at 140-160 range.
the engine really needs to operate above 160 F to take care of the water etc produced while running.
OD

alz0rz 11-03-2008 04:05 PM

that is uber "in yer face", from the dealership themselves?!

Easy_E1 11-04-2008 01:20 PM

Well she's out! I just sent Jedi54 a pic that I hope he will post.
Just to make a believer out of Phil. I can't post pics at work.

Jedi54 11-04-2008 01:38 PM

got the pic. But whose ugly mug is that in the photo??? :rofl:




http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...408_120800.jpg

Phil's 8 11-04-2008 03:03 PM

It's finally out of the car!!!!!:) :) :)

Jedi54 11-04-2008 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2712869)
It's finally out of the car!!!!!:) :) :)

I think they cheated and just took a picture of Easy's engine! :lol:

bse50 11-04-2008 04:31 PM

which one? =p

Easy_E1 11-04-2008 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2712751)
got the pic. But whose ugly mug is that in the photo??? :rofl:

Why tha's Ray. :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy:


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...408_120800.jpg


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2712869)
It's finally out of the car!!!!!:) :) :)

Yes Phil now if we can just get it out of the back of the Jeep.:banghead:


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2712957)
I think they cheated and just took a picture of Easy's engine! :lol:

Now why would we do that. We're not,,, I better not say anything.


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 2712977)
which one? =p

HAHAHAHA. I'm trying to get # 5

bse50 11-04-2008 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2713092)
HAHAHAHA. I'm trying to get # 5

I have a couple of cores on their way home :p
I guess that if a mazda inspectors visits me he'll think of smuggling seeing parts everywhere :D
As long as a rebuild costs about 7000€ here, and a new engine 9800\12000€ i guess that people will prefer a law student doing it for fun and a pizza :banghead:

Phil is so lucky having Ray there, i wouldn't want myself as my own engine rebuilder :lol:

Phil's 8 11-05-2008 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2713132)
We may end up having to rebuild it inside the Jeep! So much for proper clearances and blueprinting...........:uhh:

Some how I don't think that Mechelle will allow that. You know Jedi has a point, that could be one of Easy_E1's old engines since he is the only guy I know that is trying for the 5th one.


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 2713146)
Phil is so lucky having Ray there, i wouldn't want myself as my own engine rebuilder :lol:

Nether would I:evil_laug :rollingla Oh I just had to say that, I could not pass it up. Ray has been the only outside mechanic to touch my engine since I started modding it. Jeff has been it's tuner ever since modding started also. Some how I got it right the first time.:ylsuper:

Jedi54 11-05-2008 11:26 AM

new day = new pic. C'mon Easy, your'e slacking!

bse50 11-05-2008 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2713714)
Nether would I:evil_laug :rollingla Oh I just had to say that, I could not pass it up. Ray has been the only outside mechanic to touch my engine since I started modding it. Jeff has been it's tuner ever since modding started also. Some how I got it right the first time.:ylsuper:


Lucky you :)
there's no rotary tuner here in italy... i had to teach my mechanic how to do stuff (he has a good shop, even paying him i end up even because of the tools he has) but i rebuild\tune\do stuff that can be done on jackstands for me and my friends.
Well, everybody calls me from everywhere so i must be at least FUNNY to watch :evil_laug
Btw if i'm now able to do the stuff i do is 80% Charles' merit and 20% madness (or my "scottish" side that makes me do stuff instead of paying others?)

09Factor 11-05-2008 06:39 PM

Yea Its out of the car ! just in time for SSXII


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