I was going to plumb in a another oil cooler near the back of the car. since I have all this space where the other exhaust tip would be.
Any guesses on what kind of oil pressure loss I may see? |
significate it maybe--be careful with that
od |
And here I thought I was the King of Overheating.
Anyway,, my latest engine has about 30,000 miles on it. It (the car) has been overheating since the three prior engines. The new engine is from Japan, not a REMAN. It (latest engine) has been overheating in the summers down here since the temps hit 105 degrees and up for the last year and a half. Recently (a couple of weeks ago) MM and I did a compression test on the car. After we visited Phil and did his. I was concerned that the same thing might be happening to mine. Well,,,, we did the compression test, did the rpm calculations and the end result was, 120psi across the board. Go figure. This is an engine that has seen temps (recorded) as high as 243 degrees. And more than likely higher. So it baffles me to see an engine like Phil's fail at 15,000 miles. I really find it hard to understand that overheating his car has caused low compression. I don't have the cooling upgrades that Phil has, BHR Rad, Mazmart waterpump. I have kept mine stock in the cooling dept for warranty reasons. I feel that it is caused by other factors. I'm unable to determine what at this point. After we get it apart maybe it will become more evident. So all you rocket scientists ponder that. |
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overheating + FI = apex pwnage Phil , what ratio were you premixing at and has your oil consumption been stable lately ? Thanks |
Overheating is not going to effect the Apex seal. It's holding combustion gases already and is going to be hotter than the coolant already.
There is nothing the Apex seal is going to transfer the heat to. Apex will run just a bit under combustion temps. Only thing that is going to cause Apex premature wear is a lack of lubrication. Side seals also should be considered, but the only way for them to fail is to break. That didn't happen. End play against the corner seal? Have to be ALL twelve of them to have such even compression numbers. So you are left with rotor housing grooving due to foreign material entrance through intake, or all six Apex seals worn down unevenly due to lack of OMP flow/spray. Or it's a boost issue. Which I doubt. I'm going with the Apex oiling scenario. |
yeah - i'm thinking a lubrication issue more logical as well - hence the question .....
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Originally Posted by Brettus
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overheating + FI = apex pwnage Phil , what ratio were you premixing at and has your oil consumption been stable lately ? Thanks |
Phil, I know the compression test is the holy grale kind of thing , but what were your vacumn numbers and is the car idling ok?
This is strange. I have never heard of a 15k engine with low compression. Blown---yes. But not nearly equal-- low compression in all faces in both rotors. Even high milage ones usually have a face or 2 left that have fairly good compression. It would be interesting to see if a pre mix of 2 oz per gal on a test run would make any difference. OD |
Originally Posted by olddragger
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Phil, I know the compression test is the holy grale kind of thing , but what were your vacumn numbers and is the car idling ok?
This is strange. I have never heard of a 15k engine with low compression. Blown---yes. But not nearly equal-- low compression in all faces in both rotors. Even high milage ones usually have a face or 2 left that have fairly good compression. It would be interesting to see if a pre mix of 2 oz per gal on a test run would make any difference. OD The low mileage is the main reason we tried to blame my ongoing problems on other things. We did find problems elsewhere but they never fixed the main problem of the idle. Can't hurt to try a one time trial of 2oz per gallon. Not real sure what that would prove but hell I'll try anything. I was the one in the group that thought the compression check was a waste of time, shows what I know. |
Premix at 4 oz per tank is not enough to do anything helpful (especially given that you are FI'd) in my opinion .
If your MOP was playing up then there is a posibility that premix was the only lubrication you were getting at times so lack of lubrication does sound like the likely cause . have a look at the oil delivery lines - are there any bubbles in the lines ? |
His OMP is working (and jacked up via the AP).
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I know it's pretty difficult to actually guage this but he did say it was inconsistent .......
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the high amount of premix will not hurt anything for just a short run and if it helps seal --well the idle should be affected and you should be able to tell a difference in the engine. it will not cure anything.
od |
Originally Posted by Brettus
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I know it's pretty difficult to actually guage this but he did say it was inconsistent .......
I would have a problem with the smog cops if I tried burning more than 4oz per tank. It smokes too much. Already tried increasing it and got stopped. Luckily he did not check for a cat but I had trouble explaining premix to him. The smog cops have no sense of humor. |
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
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It was inconsistent before the AP.
I would have a problem with the smog cops if I tried burning more than 4oz per tank. It smokes too much. Already tried increasing it and got stopped. Luckily he did not check for a cat but I had trouble explaining premix to him. The smog cops have no sense of humor. I've put in as much as 20oz per tank (at the track) and didn't notice the smoke - not that I would I guess .... |
Yeah, that is strange.
I've never gotten smoke from premix, either. |
bingo.
make sure your dip stick is sealing:) od |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
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My hunch is that we will have some interesting engine pieces to show all of you on-line and at SSXI this year. Probably apex seals with ruts in the sides of them as deep as horse troughs and pix of them wobbling in the rotor tips.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
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Spraying water on the rad does nothing.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
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Premix at 4 oz per tank is not enough to do anything helpful (especially given that you are FI'd) in my opinion .
If your MOP was playing up then there is a posibility that premix was the only lubrication you were getting at times so lack of lubrication does sound like the likely cause . have a look at the oil delivery lines - are there any bubbles in the lines ? |
do you mean my A/F ratios ?
I'm not sure what difference premix makes but I don't think it is significant . |
This is a sad day for all 4-port AT's. I used to brag to everyone that I knew someone with a badass FI'd Tiptronic RX8 that killed Porches on the track. I hope it comes back better than ever.
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:( me sad too...
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any news Phil? I just added a second radiator -i will send you what i did if that could be of use to ya. you are in a different worls.
od |
Originally Posted by Phil's 8
(Post 2567722)
It was inconsistent before the AP.
I would have a problem with the smog cops if I tried burning more than 4oz per tank. It smokes too much. Already tried increasing it and got stopped. Luckily he did not check for a cat but I had trouble explaining premix to him. The smog cops have no sense of humor. I use Idemitsu. |
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