dynamho

PoLak,
In this helpful sticky that you made, would it be too troublesome for you to edit in approximate dates when the said ECU flashes were introduced?

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/j-k-l-m-flash-explanations-50119/

onefatsurfer

I just got a used '05 and I'm looking into getting a new flash. I looked through this thread and a few others about the flashes, but I didn't really find the info I want. Is there a significant flash for the 2005s, or just the '04s? Also, what other stuff should I be looking for in terms of dealer maintenance or recalls? They never fixed the foamy oil problem, so I'm thinking of getting that done too.. Having to check the oil 27 times before you get an accurate reading is ridiculous.

But yeah, Flash it or no? I don't know what version I'm on, but i tried pumping the brakes 20 times and nothing happened. Is that only for 04's?

zoom44

just go to mazda usa and sign under owners with your vin. itll tell you if you have any warranty or recall work that needs done. or just call. if all recall work has been done you're on the latest flash

Vasichko

iTrader: (1)

How are you guys getting this mileage of 270?

My light comes on at 180 miles.

onefatsurfer

It says there are no recalls.. But it also doesn't say any repair info either, so that must be wrong? Shouldn't it have a record of the repairs the previous owner did?

Anyway, I called my local Mazda Dealer (Schwartz Mazda in Shrewsbury) and they said the car had some work done before.. 2 sets of plugs, replacement cat, upgraded software and replaced the rotors twice because of rust. They told me if I wanted the newest software I'd have to pay for 1 hour's labor.. that sucks. I'm going to get the milky dipstick recall/tsb done because I can't check the oil ever, so maybe if I ask nicely they'll do upgrade the software.. If they make me pay for it, is it worth it?

bryanl

ask what letter the flash is. my dealer told me there hasnt been anything new since the 06 recall.

zoom44

recalls are done you are golden as far as flash is concerned. the owners bit lets you keep track of what YOU do and tells you if there are recalls that need to be done. It wont tell you what the previous owner did- even if he bothered to keep track on there

tdiddy

So what is the latest flash? There is a sticky thread that Polak started but nobody seems to update it anymore.

zoom44

t or something. look at the recall pdf they are different depending on model year etc

zoom44

http://www.finishlineperformance.com/rx8/bulletins.html

zoom44

Year Transmission
(Emission Type)
New PCM Calibration
Part Number
File Name
2004 A/T (All) N3Z1-18-881U SW-N3Z1EU000
2004 M/T (All) N3Z2-18-881T SW-N3Z2ET000
2005 A/T (Fed) N3ZA-18-881H SW-N3ZAEH000
2005 M/T (Fed) N3ZB-18-881G SW-N3ZBEG000
2005 A/T (Cal) N3ZC-18-881H SW-N3ZCEH000
2005 M/T (Cal) N3ZD-18-881G SW-N3ZDEG000
2006 A/T (Fed) N3M6-18-881F SW-N3M6EF000
2006 M/T (Fed) N3M5-18-881F SW-N3M5EF000
2006 A/T (Cal) N3M2-18-881F SW-N3M2EF000
2006 M/T (Cal) N3M1-18-881F SW-N3M1EF000

Footman

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Apparently there is a new flash out?
I had a CEL. I have a 2007 6MT. The build date is Dec 2006. I took it into the dealer to clear the CEL and they said there was a new update PCM and they updated that. So either it's new, or there was a PCM flash update between now and DEC of last year?

Anyone know anything?

zoom44

no idea - when last i checked about a month ago there wasnt anything new. im currently unable to check. got any supporting paperwork from the service that might have the number?

Footman

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yes as I do.. I asked them to give me a copy of the computer report. Here is the pertinent info>

PCM Part Number: N3M5K
PCM_FILENAME: SW-N3M5EK000
RCM Part Number: _14B056_DA

I don't know what this filename means. I've only heard of people on this forum talk about stuff like "M revision, N revision etc.. etc..."

Please help Zoom44!

zoom44

well there ya go- your 2006/07 us fed/ Canadian emissions 6mt rx-8( thats the n3m5 part) is now on the "k" flash(the letter after the e) for that model year car. that means thre have been 4 flash revisions(not 5 as they skip i so as not to confuse it with a number) since the recall flash posted by me again a couple posts ago. flashes are usually just minor bug fixes. so since there hasnt been a big tsb or recall for awhile thats more than likely all they are

Footman

iTrader: (2)

So is "K" the latest flash or what? It's confusing since I read about M, N, R flash etc...

Footman

iTrader: (2)

This is confusing, the flash letters in Canada are not the same as the flash letters in the US.

zoom44

yes its confusing there are different "part numbers" based on different Model years now. in the beginning there was mnr etc but with different model years they had to separate the flashes because of changes in regulations and because of a physical change to the pcm . canada bulletins may list a different number but the underlying flash numbers are as i stated above

2004 A/T (All) N3Z1-18-881U SW-N3Z1EU000
2004 M/T (All) N3Z2-18-881T SW-N3Z2ET000
2005 A/T (Fed) N3ZA-18-881H SW-N3ZAEH000
2005 M/T (Fed) N3ZB-18-881G SW-N3ZBEG000
2005 A/T (Cal) N3ZC-18-881H SW-N3ZCEH000
2005 M/T (Cal) N3ZD-18-881G SW-N3ZDEG000
2006 A/T (Fed) N3M6-18-881F SW-N3M6EF000
2006 M/T (Fed) N3M5-18-881F SW-N3M5EF000
2006 A/T (Cal) N3M2-18-881F SW-N3M2EF000
2006 M/T (Cal) N3M1-18-881F SW-N3M1EF000

where the letters/numbers before the "e" are for the model year/transmission/ emissions spec and the letter after the "e" are for the flash level.

2004 & 2005 AT flashes are one letter further on than their comparative MT level. When we talk about M N R etc we are talking about 2004 MY levels. 2005 2006 and 2007 codes started later than the 2004 year so they are at a different point in the alphabetical nomenclature. The newest flash level for your vehicle is "K". as far as i can tell for now the 2006s and 2007s are on the same flash part starting with N3M1/2/5/6 .

whenever it says"fed" that means the US FEDERAL EMISSIONS SPEC and includes the Canadian emissions spec. Cali means California and other states that have picked up the California emissions spec.

dozer

iTrader: (3)

damn!! im already confused and i just read the first and last page....someone lace me up on the info....on whats the newest and latest flash??? do i have to pay for it if i have warranty??? how can i tell if my car has already been flashed???

frollo

so for example if i have an 06 rx-8 i should have 2006 M/T (Fed) N3M5-18-881F SW-N3M5EF000 which would meen it comes stock with f? and f = some base map? the old ones were l but what would the newer ones be on? you say the newest is k, did they go from m, n and wrap all the way around between posts?

TrochoidMagic

hi all. i need some help regarding reflash and ecu updates. i picked up my '07 gt model in oct '07. my dealership closed down and i just scheduled with star mazda in glendale CA. they ran my vin and said there was a recall for my '07 car regarding an ecu update.

my question is... what is my current flash for the '07 and are any current updates gonna be better than the older one i have in my car?

the service advisor said the recall was based on customers complaining on low on power... so what do you think they're gonna put in? and how significantly different is the map changes?

thanks in advance
trochoid

TrochoidMagic

^^btw, help would be appreciated.
i did my search, and was linked to this thread to ask my question. schedule appt is for coming monday, tomorrow.

edit: phil...trust me, i tried. and some posts either cannot be shown, and topics regarding this are either 40+pgs or whatnot.
i'm concerned... just not enough time to do the research. trust me...i wouldn't be lazy, and its not like i'm a newbie or something... just need the extra helping hand for a hard to answer topic.

any answer or help is greatly appreciated.

Phil's 8

iTrader: (3)

Not sure you know how to search - go to Rosenthal forum and see if you can figure it out from there.

TrochoidMagic

zoom: sorry for my curiosity and concern. i've found a new dealer to bring my car in due to the purchasing dealer closing down...
anyway, asked for warranty alignment. but was scheduled for both alignment, AND a ecu recall for refalsh of owners complaining low on power for my '07 GT with 6MT.
i don't know what current flash its in... but would it be fine to go with their new "flash" update? - i have known its been asking me to fuel up sooner... but as mpg goes... i haven't the chance to calculate what its getting now. and it does seem a bit "lagging" around 6k~ above RPMs...

is it gonna fix it? better gas mileage?
what parameters are altered for the new flash? STFT, LTFT...?

TrochoidMagic

ok... so looked up the new updates in the bulletins.
among the list of fixes...it alters MOP settings and ignition timings for high amb temps.
there are actually "2" bulletins out.
01-013-08(lack of power pcm reflash)
01-014-08(lack of power) but is more based on customer complaints and detailed checks(carbon removal,coils, ssv, baro sensor, etc) and failing under this/those checks will warrant an engine replacement
sounds correct so far...right?

ok, so according to the bulletin, if i go in for the recall i will be getting part #
N3M1-18-881k which will be a "K" flash by the part #. is that correct so far?