ECU/PCM "flash" Info/questions
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had cel problem in december. dealer replaced pcm and reflashed, not sure which version. one week later no start! dealer relaced all spark plugs with updated parts. Anybody else need a new computer or plugs yet? only have 6700 miles on my titanium 04 6sp.
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I did read through this thread, but didn't really find the answers to my elementary questions....
I know the ECU is the computer that controls fuel input and the engine to some extent. I know a "flash" is an update to the firmware code in that computer. How does that relate to my 8??
How do I find out what version of ECU software my car has (do you need to go to the dealer?) , and is there any reason to request a flash to the newest one, other than the fuel consumption issues described here? I just got a used '04 and have no idea what it 'started' with. How does this alter performance or anything else?
I know the ECU is the computer that controls fuel input and the engine to some extent. I know a "flash" is an update to the firmware code in that computer. How does that relate to my 8??
How do I find out what version of ECU software my car has (do you need to go to the dealer?) , and is there any reason to request a flash to the newest one, other than the fuel consumption issues described here? I just got a used '04 and have no idea what it 'started' with. How does this alter performance or anything else?
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you should be at least on M flash. if your car is on an earlier flash it needs to be updated. aske them to check your car for available updates. Mazda wants all 2004 cars brought to at least M so if yours is not they shouldnt give you any problem over it. there is no tsb for the P flash so it doesnt addres any particular concerns THAT WE KNOW ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
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R Flash
Dear everybody,
Does anyone know what really does the R Flash over the N Flash?
I have read through different posts that mileage seems to be better and that there is a bit of low/mid revs torque, but still not numeric/objective data (i.e AFR vs speed and load, ignition timming...) about that.
I am currently on N (from M) and I am enyoing the advantages of N, but would like to know how worth is to go to R.
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jird20
Does anyone know what really does the R Flash over the N Flash?
I have read through different posts that mileage seems to be better and that there is a bit of low/mid revs torque, but still not numeric/objective data (i.e AFR vs speed and load, ignition timming...) about that.
I am currently on N (from M) and I am enyoing the advantages of N, but would like to know how worth is to go to R.
Regards
jird20
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Originally Posted by LiL BenNy
does it cost money to get ecu upgrades? no right,...
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Originally Posted by jird20
Dear everybody,
Does anyone know what really does the R Flash over the N Flash?
I have read through different posts that mileage seems to be better and that there is a bit of low/mid revs torque, but still not numeric/objective data (i.e AFR vs speed and load, ignition timming...) about that.
I am currently on N (from M) and I am enyoing the advantages of N, but would like to know how worth is to go to R.
Regards
jird20
Does anyone know what really does the R Flash over the N Flash?
I have read through different posts that mileage seems to be better and that there is a bit of low/mid revs torque, but still not numeric/objective data (i.e AFR vs speed and load, ignition timming...) about that.
I am currently on N (from M) and I am enyoing the advantages of N, but would like to know how worth is to go to R.
Regards
jird20
As for low RPMs, I have noticed that Ignition Advance keeps at 44 (highest) above 3000 RPMs. Anything lower than that goes down to 43 and below. Anything higher than 4000 RPMs, it's all kinds of ranges. Above 6000 RPMs, open-loop, 30 is the maximum.
I have just gotten 275 miles and the fuel needle is at the 3/4 line (1/4 fuel is left). This is with a 90%HW/10%City, REVi intake + Ram Air, and hot plugs.
Pretty neat :D
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Thank you Xyntax,
As far as as I have seen, R Flash is pretty new (July) so about exceptions like yours, there is no much experience about it in general.
I will keep on following the threads about this interesting topic.
Cheers
jird20
As far as as I have seen, R Flash is pretty new (July) so about exceptions like yours, there is no much experience about it in general.
I will keep on following the threads about this interesting topic.
Cheers
jird20
#1088
Okay guys, I'm new to the forum and I'm just researching things for my mom's RX-8, so please don't be harsh on this poor 350z owner
Her build date is 10/04 and the car gets terrible gas milage. She doesn't really need any more power because she won't really notice the difference. The main thing is the gas milage.
I've read a little bit about the flashes, but I still don't know what to ask my dealer. Can someone clarify this for me?
Her build date is 10/04 and the car gets terrible gas milage. She doesn't really need any more power because she won't really notice the difference. The main thing is the gas milage.
I've read a little bit about the flashes, but I still don't know what to ask my dealer. Can someone clarify this for me?
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I can watch the guage go down as I drive basically. I haven't had the chance to test it over more than 100 miles, so I haven't been able to record it. My mom is automobile stupid, so she doesn't know what kind of milage it's getting. I'm guessing about 225-250 a tank, all interstate.
It's a 6-speed by the way.
It's a 6-speed by the way.
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anybody can watch the guage go down as you drive for 100 miles. when you have actuall numbers come back and ask again in a MPG thread. there are tons of them. but x miles per tank is not useful information at all. not worth getting into and hijacking this thread anymore. get miles driven and gallons for refill. gear,cruise etc etc.
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Originally Posted by StudyBuddy
Thanks for the... uhh .... help. I guess.
Until you establish your true mpg not miles per tank, we won't know if your mpg is low or not. miles per tank is useless.
The site has many mpg threads ... it is one of our favorite topics ... it's a sports car.... do a search
as with many engines the rotary mpg improves with miles....
#1094
Originally Posted by StudyBuddy
Thanks for the... uhh .... help. I guess.
60 miles when needle is at 3/4 (~60 miles for fist quarter).
130 miles when needle is at 1/2 tank (~70 miles for second quarter).
230 miles when needle is at 1/4 tank (~100 miles for third quarter).
270 miles when refuel-light turns on, this is 1/8 before empty on the scale.
So, the first half gives the impression the RX-8 is a guzzler, but the last half gives the impression the RX-8 is very fuel efficient. My RX-8 manual oscilates from 19.5 to 21 mpg, that is with a lot of bumper to bumper and city driving here in LA.
Newer flashes usually show better mpg. Besides, this rotary engine get much better mpg and jump-off-the-line-acceleration as it breaks in, looks like that is after the 5000 miles.
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I have had every flash, and from day one my ecu is clear of errors and I get 140 miles per fill up - thats about 12.8 mpg. These flashes do not help enough to change my gas usage. Even when I baby it I get 13.1 mpg. There is somthing else going on. I do mostly city driving. On the highway I get 18 mpg.
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So I had the recall work done today and when I ask about the flash version I was told...N3Z1-18-881S. I understand now that the 'S' version is for AT, my 8 is a MT. Car runs fine, redlines without issue...and seems to do so smoother then before the recall. Idle is about 100rpm higher, smooth idle. I would think that if I had the AT flash I couldn't redline to 9K...comments?
I have noticed that the AC doesn't work as well...not sure there is any relationship to the recall work however. As for the recall itself...no issues found.
I have noticed that the AC doesn't work as well...not sure there is any relationship to the recall work however. As for the recall itself...no issues found.
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ok I hate to ask this question as I am sure it has been asked before. but I couldent find anything on a search. so I decided rather then start a NEW thread, I would just revive an onld one.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
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Originally Posted by speeddemon32
ok I hate to ask this question as I am sure it has been asked before. but I couldent find anything on a search. so I decided rather then start a NEW thread, I would just revive an onld one.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
Who knows what the heck these things do anymore. Car seems to be doing well with it so I would make the appt. and get'r done. They also check the cat, and a few other things per Mazda's direction.
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Originally Posted by speeddemon32
ok I hate to ask this question as I am sure it has been asked before. but I couldent find anything on a search. so I decided rather then start a NEW thread, I would just revive an onld one.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
what does the new flash (on the new recall) do? (I hear it injects more oil, and thats about all I have heard. I am sure it does more then just that.)
and what "letter" flash is it? (N???)
only info I found was this would be my flash N3Z2-18-881T (2004 M/T)
I found alot of info on the thread that talkes about the J,K,L,M, flashes, but nothing recent.
thanks to who ever has the answer.
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...res_recall.pdf