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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 04:32 PM
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Car rolls back in forth while in gear

I been stumped for a while now removed the transmission found out the spring was broke that goes on to the fork replaced that put back in the fork feels like it is stuck as I would be pressing on the clutch but the clutch pedal is removed. Idk what to do
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 04:59 PM
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Saucey, there isnt a spring on the clutch fork, do you refer to the spring-clip which holds the clutch fork to the pivot. Did the fork locate properly on the throw out bearing ?

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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:03 PM
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Yea that was replaced just now. But it's like when I put the car in first gear it stills rolls backs and wont stay put. It seems like it wants to stay but when I put it neutral it's like there is nothing holding it back.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:14 PM
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Huh?
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You aren't articulating very well, and we don't know what you are trying to say. Are you on a slope or flat ground? Are you rolling in 1st or neutral? Are you actually rolling or it just feels like it? Is the engine turning over when you roll? Do you have the ebrake engaged?


Etc...
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:16 PM
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I think I understand, it's as if the clutch is disengaged constantly , like your foot is depressed .What did you actually do when you pulled the tranny ? From your description, it sounds like there is too much preload on the throw out bearing, not enough free play.

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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Sorry just being in a rush. Well while my car is parked on a straight angle as far as being inside the garage while my car is in 1st gear without using the emergency brake I am able to push my car forward and roll it back. I have check every thing and still can not find the problem
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Also as far as the pre load all of the salve are off cylinders. When I had the transmission out the car everything seemed ok but when I put it back it the fork that goes weres the cylinder is seems stuck and not able to move or budge.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:57 PM
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It sounds like the throw out bearing isnt located on the fork properly.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 06:12 PM
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I check it before and that was wasnt it. I replaced it anyway since it was out
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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It can only be the fork placement and throw out bearing.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceyI986
but the clutch pedal is removed. Idk what to do
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but when I put it neutral it's like there is nothing holding it back.
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Also as far as the pre load all of the salve are off cylinders.
You really need to start over, and articulate your entire issue. As well as what you've done to either help, or potentially contribute. Please be very specific in your details.

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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:34 AM
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From what I could decipher, I don't think he has any drive at all.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 05:51 PM
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I have drive it take me 30min or less to drop this thing..

OK as far as the issue goes. Since i put it back in right now it is on jack stands.

---Now the when in neutral the drive shaft turns when the wheels turn.
---When i put the car into 1st gear the drive shaft locks into place and does not move, but the rear wheels still are able to move forward but very slowy.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 06:19 PM
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I took a video so i can explain hopefully this will help


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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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I do not know alot about the 8's but this is what I would try.

With the car on jack stands.... ( For safety disconnect the battery)

Take the car out of gear, spin the rear wheel by hand. The drive shaft should spin with the tires. Make a note on how much force it takes to spin the rear wheels by hand.

Next Put the car in 1st gear. Again spin the rear tires by hand counter clock wise. Again the drive shaft should spin. However it should take more force from you to sin the rear wheels.

If the Drive shaft dose not spin when you have the car in gear it's most likely a bad spider gear in the diff.

Also grab a second person, Have someone looking at your pulley's under the hood. If when the car is IN gear and you spin the rear tires by hand counter clockwise, the pulleys should also spin. If they do not spin but the drive shaft dose, it could be either clutch not in gauging, or the gears in your trans are toast.

If in first gear when rotating the rear tires by hand the pulleys spin, and so dose the drive shaft, but they spin very easily then you probably have bad compression = dead motor.

Now having said this There may be some features on the RX-8 that I am unaware of that may counter anything I am saying. I am a New owner of the 8 so I do not know much about them.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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Sorry the video wan't posted when I wrote my last post.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 06:50 PM
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If you put a ratchet on your crankshaft, put the car in 1st and spin the crank shaft by hand do the rear wheels spin?
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wahkupup
I do not know alot about the 8's but this is what I would try.

With the car on jack stands.... ( For safety disconnect the battery)

Take the car out of gear, spin the rear wheel by hand. The drive shaft should spin with the tires. Make a note on how much force it takes to spin the rear wheels by hand.

Next Put the car in 1st gear. Again spin the rear tires by hand counter clock wise. Again the drive shaft should spin. However it should take more force from you to sin the rear wheels.

If the Drive shaft dose not spin when you have the car in gear it's most likely a bad spider gear in the diff.

Also grab a second person, Have someone looking at your pulley's under the hood. If when the car is IN gear and you spin the rear tires by hand counter clockwise, the pulleys should also spin. If they do not spin but the drive shaft dose, it could be either clutch not in gauging, or the gears in your trans are toast.

If in first gear when rotating the rear tires by hand the pulleys spin, and so dose the drive shaft, but they spin very easily then you probably have bad compression = dead motor.

Now having said this There may be some features on the RX-8 that I am unaware of that may counter anything I am saying. I am a New owner of the 8 so I do not know much about them.

Yeah battery is been disconneted relocating it to the back also the motor is brand new . i just going to put everything back together and when i pick up my wiring harness and start the motor because to me everything had been checked, and the rear will not lock up like it should. So may just keep going and mess with at a later time
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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By your 1st post, I assumed you had a clutch/transmission issue, but clearly its a differential problem.When you rotate one side wheel, what does the opposite wheel do when the trans is in gear.
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Old Dec 20, 2011 | 05:48 AM
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Nice job on the video... It clarifies things a lot. But I have two questions...
Originally Posted by FastFreddy61
When you rotate one side wheel, what does the opposite wheel do when the trans is in gear.
This. If the other wheel rotates in the opposite direction, that may be normal. Although most limited-slip differentials will turn the wheels in the same direction, the RX-8 has a torque-sensing conical limited-slip differential and is different than a typical limited-slip differential that uses clutches. If that's the case, I'll bet you can't rotate both of the wheels in the same direction.

And my other question is... Does the car move significantly when it's on the ground (and in gear.) By your title, this may be what you are talking about. And by "significantly", I mean can you push it down the street while it's in first gear? (Not just rock it back and forth a few inches.) If the car doesn't move, then I'm thinking you may have a non-issue.

I'm really curious about the differential. When I get home in the morning (I work nights), I'll jack up my car and see if it acts similar.

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