renesisking

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So after i took my car to the dealer....it turns out that i need a brand new motor....im gonna miss my baby for about a week and a half to two weeks....there was a misfire in rotor 2 and that was the reason for my loss of power on my dynos...they told me that it is under warranty and that the motor is covered and that all i have to pay is the diagnostic fee of approx. 100 bucks. what is the warranty on the motor? and i thought you had to sign up for that warranty dont you?

04RX8man

i THOUGH they waived the diagnose charge if they found something wrong??? Well that sucks about losing ur motor but at least u have a brand new one!!!!

Razz1

I would not worry about the misfire.
Its a common thing.

If the light stays on and then you reset and it happens again then investigate.

zoom44

dont pay the ******* diagnostic fee warranty is warranty. in fact they are breaking the law if they attempt to with hold doing the work for that

zoom44

thats right i used ******* without any censorin @*# things because all this dealership crap is pissing me off. i thought they were over pulling stupid crap with the failing motors.

Jedi54

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that's BULLSHIT! ******* bullshit I say!! (couldn't let charlie be the only one cursing)
Warranty work = ZERO DIAGNOSTIC fee.
Ask them to show you where in your warranty paperwork it says they get to charge you for a diagnostic fee?

Hell, I'll do one more....brb

Jedi54

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Here is the TSB directly from Mazda which explains the diagnostic / repair procedures for Lack of Power on an RX-8.

Bottom of page 15 states:

WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE:
• This warranty information applies only to verified customer complaints on vehicles eligible for warranty
repair.
• Warranty term coverage is 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000
mile mileage limitation.
• Additional diagnostic time cannot be claimed for this repair.


http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-08-1924g.pdf

zoom44

jedi that means they cant bill more than the allowed time for the diag costs to mazda- which is why the dealer is try to get them to pay. but thats double dipping- mazda pays them for thr whole thing x dollars AND they try to get paid by the owner.

I8U

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What I find strange is, Mazda is gonna replace his motor because of the misfiring in his #2 rotor?! I have nothing but constant misfires for the last 32000+ miles on the 2nd motor I have now. And the dealership that does all my work has done nothing but throw parts at it, which only fixes it for a short time. Since I have had the motor swapped in Sept '06, I had the plugs replaced 9 times, the coils replaced 7 times, 3 sets of plug wires, a new PCM, 4 compression checks, and 2 crank angle sensors installed...still have misfires!

The last time it was in, from the time they swapped all the ignition parts and ran it around the block and threw it back on the diagnostic machine...it had 134 misfires in the rear rotor and 91 in the front! They told me there is nothing they can do and that I should just get used to it. I have a thread on the situation and really am at a loss. It's pretty fucked up though, I work for a pro race team and one of the best rotary mechanics is our crew chief and he even says that my motor needs replacement, after looking at what's been done to it and the results of my last comp check. I also performed the driving test from the lack of power TSB, and my car fails every aspect of the test. My dealership refuses to do the test because they already replaced the motor once and "there is no problem with the second motor". I call BS on them!!!

Jedi54

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zoom: yeah, that's kind of where I was going with that.
Additional diagnostic time cannot be claimed for this repair implies that some cost was already claimed for the repair. (additional being the key word in that sentence)


if some was already claimed, then one can infer that the cost was paid by Mazda since the bullet point above it speaks of a warranty for qualified vehicles.
This is why service departments LOVE me.

zoom44

8u you need to go up the chain with the results especially the 134 times etc

Jedi54

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I8U: just read your post; that's ridiculous!
Hate to say this but you need to find another dealership, even if that means driving a bit out of your way.

I8U

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They had the regional service manager come in and take a look at the results before...he was one the suggested they swap the PCM and call it a day.

I planned on doing this. I need to have the dealership fax all my service records from the time the motor was swapped til now. I have a location of the dealership my old service tech works now, he is a 15 yr Master Rotary tech, it's about a 2 hr drive away...I think I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and take it there and go over the service record and the issues I've been having.

renesisking

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Thanks, i will let them know. i talked to them wednesday and i got pissed of even more. i guess they killed my engine. the service advisor/manager there told me that when they started my car, it shot out black smoke from the tailpipe, which kinda led me to the belief that they blew my damn engine.

Account of what happened this past week....

Monday...car was running fine.

Tuesday, i was getting pulling onto a main route and i always floor it on this road when i pull into it (no cops, and its about a mile or straight wide open road so everybody lets it rip in whatever car they got) i normally get up to a buck 20 on it in my car, and i was in 3rd making my way to redline, it was pulling strong at 5grand then it went up to 6 and i felt like it was losing a little pull then at 6500, it just **** the bed.

the check engine light flashed then stayed on. (this loss happened once when i was going on the highway but a couple mins later it was normal so i didnt think anything of it, this happened probably a month ago), so i called up ModernMotors Mazda in Thomaston, CT and I knew one of the service managers there.

i dealt with him before and he seemed nice, so i called and talked to the service managers up there and he told me to bring the car in and that he didnt know he would be able to get to it that day so i said it was fine, then i continued on my normal routine, went to do some bank work and it was running ok except for the check engine light.

I dropped it off and posted my first post that i was sitting in the dealership.


Wednesday, i call up the dealership around noon and i asked them what was going on with my car and this is what the guy said...(and i quote)

"we don't know whats going on with your car yet." i was really really pissed, and i no longer can stay calm when people are being idiots so i said "you are a mazda dealership right?? how the hell do you not know whats going on with my ******* car?, you've had it since yesterday did you even take it in? dont waste my time, i'll come pick up my car and fix it myself!"

he was taken aback, i dont think anybody talked to him that way before haha, so he said "we're calling mazda and have yet to hear back from them regarding your car, we just have to check the code.....i should have an answer for you later on during the day." so i said ok and let it go.

seeing how i meticulously care for my car and i just dont feel right if its not in my garage and i dont see it everyday (i know its wierd but i take care of everything of mine really well i dont like it in other peoples hands) and i called around 3 or 4ish and i said "so whats going on with my car?" and his response...

"yea rotor 2 is misfiring and that would explain the loss in power and the oil in the intake"

(in a post somewhere on this site i posted that my dyno came out really low around 150hp at the wheels of a portably dynapack dyno and that the tuner said i could've lost compression and there was oil in my intake...so i took it to that same dealership and they said everything checked out fine with my car and that they cats aren't clogged or anything and im not losing compression and they knocked me on my *** for about 2-300 bucks for that),

and i didn't think i could get that much more pissed off about it but i did and said "i brought it in before for the same reason and you guys said it was fine! and that the oil in the intake was from me probably over filling it"

(which in all honesty is bull **** cuz i check my oil about twice a week) and he was like "oh" and then i said "so all i need are coils, plugs and wires then...?" and he said "um, no, you need a new engine" as you can imagine i pretty much turned into the incredible hulk and just wanted to beat the **** outa something cuz i thought i was gonna be out about 4grand, and so i continued to ask him what the hell happened and he said

"we started it in the shop and it blew black smoke out of the tail pipe and it needs a new motor" then i asked him how much i and to my surprise he said it was under warranty, all i do is pay the initial diagnostic fee.

Thursday, im thinking about it and now that i think about it, idk what they did but they probably killed my motor by doing something stupid idk.

Friday (today), i read up ur posts and ur right, i shouldnt pay **** for it. in fact i think i should get my money back from the first diagnosis when they said my car was fine. and now im thinking that they're doing the engine just cuz they get paid from mazda for it and doing a new ignition set up doesnt pay well, that could be just my own guess.

but i work at a ford dealership about 5 miles away and it happens here but we give options to our customers in the incredibly rare even that it does ever happen. idk, i guess its a good thing i dont have to pay for the motor....i was thinking about calling them and asking if they could put in a 20b for the same price haha.

thats my story, any advice would be great. thanks so far for everything.

renesisking

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I8U i feel your pain, 134 misfires??? c'mon, why dont you go to dmv or something and tell them the issue, they'll have nothing to do but to listen to you bud. im pretty sure thats as drastic as you could get, idk if NC is different but in CT u go to the dmv and tell them that you have a reoccurring problem and it hasnt been completely fixed and the state takes over from there and the dealership/shop/or whoever will have no choice but to do whatever it is that you need for ur vehicle. idk just a thought, i could be completely wrong about NC but i thought all dmv's were the same.

zoom44

you may have blown it on the dyno. the black smoke they had was just a result of what happened not an indication of anything they did. how long had you been on the dyno? what size fan were you using in front of the car?

there could be another explanation as well but pulling 150 on a dynapack then the car losing all power after run to 120 with a big knock would seem to me to be showing a problem and them starting it and getting black smoke is just another symptom of the problem and not the cause.

oil in the intake accordian tube is usually caused by over filling but can get there in normal driving on the early cars with out the improved breather

Razz1

No wonder why GM is bankrupt!

They are not double dipping!

renesisking

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i had it on the dyno sometime in august, and i took it to the dealership and they said it was fine, as far as over filling the oil, i check the dipstick twice a week and if it needs it i'll put in a quart or two at most. when i found out that i had oil in my intake during the dyno i put in a new filter a cheap one from NAPA autoparts for $25 just to see if it was leaking, and i had no issues when i checked the filter a week later, and i kept checking and still had no issues, which lead me to believe that i wasnt over filling the engine. and during that time i was using synthetic oil (Mobile1 5W20) and a K&N oil filter, the mazda service manager said i should not use synthetic so i no longer did, i used Mobil clean 5000 5W20, (i put this in the synthetic oil discussion thread). i couldnt see a difference with the oil, and when i drove it, i never felt any knocking other than my car giving up at 6500rpms

Gray06

Gm refused the pay for a set of replacement front rotors at 25k miles. Said warping was due to driving in rain with hot brakes. They should go belly up.

skrubol

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New set of coils and 3 plugs (explanation of that here https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=174 ) didn't do much for me. Still has a lack of power, and nasty misfires past 4 or 5k.
The coils were all the old type (100, not 100A,) so I assume they were original, and the car's got 67k miles on it, so it was about time anyway. The 3 plugs I got out were pretty black. I think I'm going to try resetting the eccentric position sensor as explained in this post:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=15

skrubol

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Meh, no joy. Misfires like a rev limiter around 6k. Forced it to flash the check engine light, shut the car off at a red light and got it to throw a CEL. Read P0300 (random misfire.) The previous misfire CEL I'd gotten was 0302. (rear rotor misfire.)
(Also have gotten 0420 and 0410.)
Any thoughts as to what else to try to do to figure this out? Am I gonna have to go to the dealer on this one? At 67k miles any chance any of the work will be covered under emissions warranty?
Should I just try swapping the eccentric position sensor next?

renesisking

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u could get a brand new motor like me with 0 miles on it straight outa japan. i thought i could just put in new coils and get it over with but then again, i guess i was wrong. i had the same issue and they just gave me a brand new motor, it took them a week to get my motor and i wont get my car until after christmas, that friday or the monday of the following week. i didnt think about the sensor, i dont see why the eccentric position sensor would make a big deal, i can see that if the teeth of the rotor were shot or if the rotor was slipping on the shaft but that still doesnt make sense. it would call for a new motor either way, and as far as emissions goes...i thought emissions only checks to see if your car is putting out toxins, and i dont ever remember them ever revving my car to 6grand, and emissions will only cover the cat and exhaust down pipe headers, i dont thinkg misfiring would count because that is the ignition system, idk i may be wrong

skrubol

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I replaced my eccentric position sensor (after plugs and coils,) and I'm still getting complete misfires at 6k. Any other thoughts as to what it might be?

One of my plugs isn't installed quite correctly, but it's a trailing, and the replacement didn't make any difference, so I can't imagine that has anything to do with this severe of a problem.

zoom44

the eshaft sensor needs it position reset in the PCM memory.

skrubol

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Is that the tap the brake 20 (thousand?) times reset?