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Interesting Idle Vacuum Correlations PART 2

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Old 08-29-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
wow , the lengths you go to for something last isn't even a problem .......
seriously
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Originally Posted by Brettus
wow , the lengths you go to for something last isn't even a problem .......
Well, I don't know that it isn't a problem.
Its a symptom of something and I want to know what.
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Considering many 13B owners would be happy to see your vacuum numbers, it's not a problem. It's easy to see what it is anyways but I'll let you get to that point on your own as you really do enjoy playing with things. That's a good thing though!
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Considering many 13B owners would be happy to see your vacuum numbers, it's not a problem.
Yeah, but my motor is not bridge-ported.

Originally Posted by rotarygod
It's easy to see what it is anyways but I'll let you get to that point on your own as you really do enjoy playing with things. That's a good thing though!
PLEASE enlighten me!
I've given up at this point.
Its just not worth ripping any more of the vehicle up looking for it and I've already wasted enough time.
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Way to leave me hanging, Fred!
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what a c^*k tease.
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hey jeff on your first post you where looking for leaks with propane? how is that process done? the only way i know to check for leaks is to fill the intercooler pipes with air, seal the pipe and listen for leaks...
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STIG Obama?

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Don't start!
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i was pulling your leg Jeff--unplugging the throttle body/(tps), the engine will shut off.
Maybe the dang thing just aint spinning fast enough to seal. Just like the oem oil pressure with 5/20w and oil temps of over 200 is supposed to be approx 52! Yea right.
where is our voltage regulator? i hate electrical stuff.
does your 2K vacuum go to the normal range and no fluctuations?
you are doing right --step by step.
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Actually, unplugging the TB will start and idle (poorly) on my vehicle.
Maybe that should be telling me something?
I dunno.
What is the "normal" vacuum at 2k RPM? In load or free-revving?

If it weren't sealing, the compression would be low.

The voltage regulator is actually software in the PCM. The hardware in the alternator is controlled by feedback.

I've tried 3 alternators.
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foo77 had an issue with the maf connector wiring.. not that you have removed and reconnected the maf often.

where is that damn easy button?

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Its not a tuning/sensor issue.
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where is that damn easy button?

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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Its not a tuning/sensor issue.
did not say it was. check the wiring to the connector that attaches to the maf..

if it was tuning or sensor you would have found it by now.

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I'm at a rock steady 17" @ 870 ft elevation

wondering what the chances are that you get a good compression reading at lower cranking rpm, but have a dynamic sealing issues at the higher idle rpm
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i dont really know what the normal 2k reading is with a rotary, but for a recip at a no load 2K its approx the same as at idle. what any fluctuations.
my car pre fi and after fi will not idle with the throttle body unconnected.--interesting.
maybe we need a 16 volt system?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
I'm at a rock steady 17" @ 870 ft elevation

wondering what the chances are that you get a good compression reading at lower cranking rpm, but have a dynamic sealing issues at the higher idle rpm
Unlikely that there is enough change in 500 RPM to negate 130+ PSI of compression.
Plus, it goes like a raped ape. It should be soggy as the RPMs rise if dynamic sealing were an issue.
Additionally, its been in tow engines, one of which had 47 miles on it when it was started and had the identical "problem" immediately.

No, this is something peripheral to the motor.
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psh, you should be happy with 16 mm HG vaccuuum

if I got 16 I'd be so happy, but noooooo
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try a different vacuum gauge?

idle is controlled by a stepper motor, it won't operate with the TB electrical disconnected
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You running with, or without a cat?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
try a different vacuum gauge?
Tried three. I guess I could try a fourth?

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idle is controlled by a stepper motor, it won't operate with the TB electrical disconnected
Yes, but the TB on the '8 is stopped 2% open when it is unpowered, so the car will idle, even if it is disconnected.

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You running with, or without a cat?
No CAT.
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Have you tried swapping alternators?
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Three of them.
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- All of your engine's have done it.
- You have swapped alternators, etc - to test for various draw on the engine.

Things that have not changed on your car:
- Car PC
- Weather and Altitude
- Turbo?
- Water pump?
- PCM?


Add to the list; and see if we can narrow it down some.


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