RotaryResurrection

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Oh, you wanna stick your neck into the fray now? That's fine if you want to make an emotional decision that will cost you hundreds or thousands and go elsewhere for a build...fine by me. The 45-50 other customers each year don't make that mistake and are perfectly happy, though.

And exactly how does the subject of building engines have anything to do with any comments I ever made to you, or any "bashing" I ever did?

The only issue we ever had was your proficiency in promising things and then changing your mind later when it became less convenient. You don't want to hash it out here in front of everyone else, then don't stick your neck out. See avatar for further commentary.

nycgps

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jeeze calm down guys.

We're all here to try to make things better.

RotaryResurrection

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That's what I thought too, but every time I poke my head in on a discussion someone on this forum tries to start up some politics.

Jedi54

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show me recent data from a reliable source showing the engine failure rate of the Renesis compared to cars in a similar class.

I'll be at SevenStock again this year supporting Mazda.

nycgps

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Im coming to SevenStock this year too.

Well, I will try to use my *very limited* japanese to try to see if I can find anybody that I can talk to. Maybe we can get some information out

Jedi54

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^^^ **cough cough** banquet **cough cough**

TALAN7

That's the problem. People who replaced engines aren't coming together to complain.

Jedi54

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what's there to complain about?

Most blown engines have been replaced by Mazda under warranty. You have been 'made whole' by the company that sold you the car by fixing what went wrong. (at NO cost in most cases)
Would you ask more of them?
Would you like them to make cars that never fail instead???

TALAN7

Yes if it could be done. But lets be practical. i want them to make a car whose engine get at least 100,000 miles with proper maintenance, not lower their warranty cause they see that their engines aren't lasting as long as they would like. i would like them to address issues in a timely manner. I want good customer service.

Jedi54, how many miles do you have on your 8, and have you had to replace your engine yet?

Jedi54

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It's been done. Look at Expo's car and there's even a guy who put 150,000 miles on there without EVER flushing out his coolant / transmission fluids.

The new Direct Injection due out in a few years isn't soon enough for you? Do you want sufficient R&D or do you want it out tomorrow? Tough to have your cake AND eat it too...
The updated mapping (aka reflashes) by Mazda isn't a good enough? Those are injecting MORE oil in order to help better lubricate the engine to avoid engines going out.

Go to a different dealership

05 M/T with 43,000 miles. I have not had my engine replaced BUT I did get a ENTIRE transmission replaced and I didn't complain about it. I had a working transmission when they sold me the car, I did not abuse it yet it broke, they gave me a new one. I would say that's a fair transaction on their part.
If and or when my engine goes, will I be upset?? SURE I will, I've invested quite a deal of money and time into my car and it's always disappointing when something doesn't go as planned. I will however try to get it resolved with Mazda if I'm still under warranty.
If not, then I will deal with it in the manner I see most fit. Rebuild engine? Replace engine? sell car? who knows... (in my case, most likely not the last option but I can't say that to a certainty)

olddragger

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Ok hows this --- 3 long term members of the Ga RX club have had to replace their engines--one at 50 something K,another at 66 K and another at 50 something K(no warrenty). I dont think the 350Z's, the Honda s 2's, the evo's, the mustangs, the corvettes, the sti's , or the bmw's have had as many total engine replacements as the rx8.
I love the rotary engine but to deny it can be made better is like sticking your head in the sand.
olddragger

Jedi54

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I never said it couldn't be built better. OD; how many of those guys were tracking their cars?

The 8 has it's issues, there's no question about that, my comments were more aimed at HOW to handle the situation should it arise.

swoope

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od,

how many were premixing?

beers

RotoRocket

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Why wouldn't Mazda just tell us the failure rate on the Renesis?

It sounds like a naive question at first, but what would be the real problem in getting that information?

nycgps

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The engine, by design, should last very long.

again and again, Most places on earth does NOT have as much problem as the US spec Rx-8 are having.

People can say thats bcuz US is the biggest market for cars. but I THINK there is more than that.

I still think that Mazda screwed themselfs up by *suggesting* 5w20. rest of the world works fine with 5w30.

olddragger

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These cars I am speaking off were maintained very well. running 5w/30 oil, lightly premixing and doing track w/e's maybe 2 times a year. They may have a total of 5-6 track events on their cars. To clarify--- a well driven track event is easier on your engine than a day of stop and go traffic.
The omp's seemed to be working ok and they were owned by men that didnt dog them, but did "redline " them as they should be. One engine just lost compression but was still running ok--just weak. One blew an apex seal (front rotor)and on teardown both housings were in bad shape, the other blew the front rotor--engine has not been disassembled yet.
I dont know about nationally--but locally the engine failure rate is to damn high.
Jedi --I dont mean to sound argumentive here and I agree with the way you advise and advocate in handling a problem. But I am beginning to believe for the 1st time that this is more than an individual's problem, but more of a design defect per Mazda. They cannot "fess" up anymore than they have---it would be disatorous and cost prohibited. They keep throwing bandaids with the flashs, carbon cleaning etc. We early model RX 8's have become testing subjects for them
in engine, engine management and somewhat in transmissons.
I bet yall dont know either that if you have over 50K on your clutch it will not meet specs to reinstall if you pull it. It still feels good and work find but it has gotten thin! Has to do with the low torque and the increased rpms required on take off. Yall do know that the oem clutch is an Eeddy product---right?
olddragger

Shoafb

They are putting the same engine back in... no design changes have been made. I am not convinced the MAP changes are going to do anything more the prolong the inevitable and I am not willing to take that 6k or so bet that it does.

Rote8

Would the use of methanol stop carbon from killing Apex seals?

Mine has always had a strange "pump" sound when the engine is cold, I had that the first day I brought mine home.
I had thought the sound was normal and caused by the emissions equipment; now, I will disconnect the air pump tomorrow and see if I still get that noise when the motor is very cold...

Now you people have me worried about Apex seals.

/paranoia