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I have a 2007 with 63,000 miles on it. It seemed to be running fine when the check engine light came on. Had the code read by a friend who said it was the catalytic converter. I took it to the dealer this morning. The dealer told me that the engine has bad seals which is causing compression issues and misfires. I was told that the engine, the oil pan, and the catalytic converter will all be covered under warranty. However, I was also told that the fuel injectors might need to be cleaned. If all 6 injectors are clogged it will cost me $1400. They also suggested putting in a new clutch while they replace the engine and that will cost me $2100.
If anyone has opinions about the injectors or the clutch I would greatly appreciate it.
Did the dealer actually do a compression test? If so, did they show you the printed results? I mean if they are covering it under warranty then that is fine but cleaning the injectors is bullshit and they have to remove them anyway so there should be no labor charge for installing new ones, which would cost a couple hundred bucks at most places outside of the dealer. Cleaning and testing all of your injectors would also only cost about $100.00. Failed injectors are very rare.
And also they have to remove the engine so there should be no labor charges on replacing the clutch since they would have to remove your clutch and put it on the new engine anyway.
+1 ^^ that sounds like the rep is just reading prices off a sheet, rather than thinking about how anything works. Talk to the head tech at least.
Something they don't mention, oddly, is that you might need new ignition coils. That's the actual leading cause of misfires and is a simple fix (as long as engine damage hasn't already occurred).
I was told the $2100 is for just the clutch itself. Dealer said there is no labor charge for the clutch because they have to remove and reinstall clutch anyway as part of the engine replacement. I thought that sounded outrageous which is why I was reaching out to those of you who know much more about this than I do. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your advice.
The stock clutch, which is an Exedy clutch is about $400.00 shipped with everything you need except a flywheel resurface which cost about $50.00 and I'm sure a dealer doesn't even mess with that.
Look around, PM paul@mazmart.com for a quote. They are trying to screw you over big time.
Agreed. When I got my engine replaced under an extended warranty (so lucky I bought that from the used card dealership I got my '04 through, otherwise I would have been broke replacing everything).
They said my clutch was gone anyways and no cost on replacing it (labor). OEM is ~$400. I went and got an Excedy Stage 1 instead just because which was like $450 shipped and had it shipped to the Mazda shop and they installed it.
I would talk to some head tech there, sounds like you are either getting played or someone doesn't know what they are quoting you about.
Spoke to dealer this morning. I was told that $2100 was including labor so that was incorrect. Then said that clutch itself is $1300. I called around to several transmission shops and 3 other Mazda dealers. All of them told me I really only need to change the disc, plate, and throwout bearing. All quoted me prices of $652.58 to $684.76. When I called my dealer back with this info I was told that the $1300 was for all the additional parts that make up the complete clutch assembly. My dealer said they would not change just those 3 parts because they would consider it a liability issue and they do not want to skimp on clutch with the new engine saying I would be better in the long run.
When I asked if I could purchase an OEM clutch kit on my own and have it shipped to them to install he said they would not install outside parts. I pushed as hard as I could to the point where the service rep said they would prefer that I pick up the car and take it elsewhere. Problem is that the car is already there, They've already agreed to cover the new engine, and I really don't have the time to pick it up and start the whole process over again at another dealer and open up possibilities for more problems.
What exactly is in that $1300.00 quote? I mean the Exedy (again same exact OEM clutch kit) comes with everything you need, including the pilot bearing and throw out bearing. Heck if you order it from BHR, you get the heavy duty throw out bearing.
The dealer cannot charge you whatever they want, the job in the system has labor time attached to it (which they can't charge because that time is included in the engine replacement) and the parts and that is it. Don't let them punk you, tell them you are going to complain to Mazda North America.
As we said, the reman engine from mazda comes with a flywheel so they are trying to take advantage of you for sure. As for the bolts and washers, well reusing them is fine and what they would do if they were just putting your old clutch back on like they do on every reman install. Also changing the fluid is not necessary when installing a new clutch, you can do that easily yourself if it has been a while since it has been changed.
this pic is small but this is a picture of a Mazda reman as delivered in it's crate from the reman plant in Virginia. You can see the flywheel.
I agree with 9K....I have re-used the flywheel bolts multiple times in my car and many others...they are not a high stress bolt anyway. If they want to replace the lock washers that might be prudent...but a little blue threadlocker works better anyway
The reman flywheel has a new bearing in it as well......and a new seal
The rest of that stuff is pushing things...And full pop retail pricing
For that much I would tell them to re-install your old clutch and have someone else replace it for about 1/2 the price later
Even if you were ordering all OEM parts through a dealer the cost should be closer to $500. When I had my engine replaced, I ordered the necessary clutch parts from Rosenthal Mazda online parts store (since closed, but there are probably other dealers running internet parts departments). Here's the parts list . They are definitely trying to take you for a ride by making you buy parts you don't need, at at a pretty large markup at that.
Important caveat for this list: This is for a Series 2 RX-8, some part #s might be different for Series 1. BEARING,NEEDLE (N326-11-D03)
N326-11-D03 1 $9.69 USD
COLLAR,CLUTCH REL. (LF01-16-510)
LF01-16-510 1 $40.58 USD
COVER,CLUTCH (N318-16-410B)
N318-16-410B 1 $242.73 USD
DISC,CLUTCH (N318-16-460C)
N318-16-460C 1 $193.75 USD
SEAL,OIL (1881-11-404A)
1881-11-404A 1 $2.87 USD
I question even the need for a new clutch, if it's not giving you trouble, given that it only has 63,000 miles on it. They should not give you any trouble installing any parts that you supply, if it's an OEM replacement, it's just that they will not warranty their labor on them.
Now injectors can get clogged and have sub-optimal flow characteristics. But injector cleaning should be a few hundred bucks for all 6, if done at an outside shop. The parts that I haven't seen mentioned that you actually should renew are plugs, coils and wires, unless they've been replaced recently. Based on how shady this dealer is being, I would look elsewhere. If something goes wrong with your re-man, do you think they will stand by their work or feed you more bullshit trying to milk you for $$?
Yeah they are definitely trying to take advantage of him. The last reman I had installed at 96,000 miles and I bought the clutch kit thru a friend who is a Mazda parts guy in Austin, and then just gave it to them and then made them leave the old parts in my trunk and they didn't charge me anything for it.
Thank you all so much for the valuable info. I've been on the phone all day trying to resolve this. I asked service rep about the flywheel. He said he would call Mazda to find out if reman engine has flywheel. He called me back saying that he was told that there was no fly wheel with engine. He also said that whoever he spoke to didn't sound to sure so when the engine arrives he will send me photos to see if it does or doesn't have flywheel. I've been going to this dealer for over 10 years starting when I bought my 04 Mazda 6S. I've always had great service and I would like to think that they are not intentionally overcharging me. Service rep said he cut the cost to $1,066 for the clutch and that if eng comes with flywheel I can take another $400 off that. I checked with transmission shop down street from me and was told that a new clutch would cost me about $1000 parts and labor so now I feel I'm kind of stuck. Engine is already out of car waiting for reman engine to arrive.
$1000 is better than $2100 and it is thanks to all the info you guys have given me that I was able to at least save that difference.
I also think that the service rep still believes that the Exidy clutch is an aftermarket clutch built to OEM specs. I've told him serveral times that the OEM clutch IS the Exidy clutch but their policy is that if it doesn't come from Mazda they don't want to install for liability reasons.
sounds like the local Mazda dealer in town where i live, total idiots. i stay clear away from them......
i'm really getting sick of this company after dealing with Lexus for a couple years now i would find it hard to buy another Mazda product.
i wouldn't be surprised if the compression was acceptable, as stated originally have them give you a compression test first. if they are so convinced you have low compression they need to back it up. injectors clogged, $1,300 clutches, washers, etc scams!!!!
This dealer is full of ****. At this point they should have done hundreds of reman installs over the past 10 years so they should know damn well that a Mazda reman comes with a flywheel.
As for the clutch, as stated even from a Mazda dealer the clutch kit should only be $500.00 or so. But if they take the $400.00 off then I guess that is not too bad but they are still dicking you around.
I have a friend who is a Mazda Parts manager at a large dealer in Austin, TX so I will ask him to verify and also Ash8 who is a mod here, is a Mazda parts guy. Ash8 should be able to confirm the parts list on a Mazda reman but I am telling you, I have had two mazda remans and I was there (buddy and local rx8 guy was a tech at my dealer) when then the engines were delivered and both had a flywheel on them, they don't want dealer techs doing any engine assembly if they don't have too.
thank you so much 9krpmrx8. I'll wait and see what I'm told when dealership calls regarding flywheel. If I'm told there is no flywheel my next step will be to call Mazda USA.
I really appreciate everyone's help. If any of you ever find yourselves in the Pembroke, MA area...drinks are on me!
08-01-2016, 05:18 PM
