Car keeps stalling
07-11-2009, 02:42 PM
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Car keeps stalling
I have an manual 04 with about 59,800 miles on it.. I have no warranty..
Its been acting really weird for the past month.. My car drives fine like nothing is wrong in the morning and night time.. But once 1-5 o'clock come around we have major problems. Its the hottest part of the day, temp range frm 101-115 what my car reads.. I can drive for about 10 mins till I hear a noise like a rattle near my engine (im guessing) and once I come to a stop it just dies out.. I have to sit for about 30 mins or so.. Then I go to start it, it cranks and cranks then it will start.. Sometimes it takes longer.. My car isn't over heating, battery is fine, new plugs, wires, water pump and coils.. One other thing I notice is every time I come to a stop and go I can hear something like a marble in a can type of noise under my car or behind it.. I will be taking it in on Monday but I just want to have an idea.. Could it be my cat? If so is, is this cover by any warranty?
Its been acting really weird for the past month.. My car drives fine like nothing is wrong in the morning and night time.. But once 1-5 o'clock come around we have major problems. Its the hottest part of the day, temp range frm 101-115 what my car reads.. I can drive for about 10 mins till I hear a noise like a rattle near my engine (im guessing) and once I come to a stop it just dies out.. I have to sit for about 30 mins or so.. Then I go to start it, it cranks and cranks then it will start.. Sometimes it takes longer.. My car isn't over heating, battery is fine, new plugs, wires, water pump and coils.. One other thing I notice is every time I come to a stop and go I can hear something like a marble in a can type of noise under my car or behind it.. I will be taking it in on Monday but I just want to have an idea.. Could it be my cat? If so is, is this cover by any warranty?
07-11-2009, 03:24 PM
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Prolly not the cat, it would start fine with a bad cat, but no power.
First thing I would do is change gas stations, buy some premium from a name-brand pump. Your hot day problem sounds like a vapor lock caused by crappy gas, and the detonation you are hearing is dangerous - get some good fuel in there and get back to us.....
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First thing I would do is change gas stations, buy some premium from a name-brand pump. Your hot day problem sounds like a vapor lock caused by crappy gas, and the detonation you are hearing is dangerous - get some good fuel in there and get back to us.....
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07-11-2009, 03:46 PM
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Prolly not the cat, it would start fine with a bad cat, but no power.
First thing I would do is change gas stations, buy some premium from a name-brand pump. Your hot day problem sounds like a vapor lock caused by crappy gas, and the detonation you are hearing is dangerous - get some good fuel in there and get back to us.....
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First thing I would do is change gas stations, buy some premium from a name-brand pump. Your hot day problem sounds like a vapor lock caused by crappy gas, and the detonation you are hearing is dangerous - get some good fuel in there and get back to us.....
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I will try this but I always put good fuel from different pleases like shell etc.. What about the marble in the can noise I always hear? Does that come from bad gas too?
07-11-2009, 03:49 PM
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It might be a a failing fuel pump as well...simply because you said it runs fine in the morning and at night. The fuel pump may be over heating during the afternoon because of the temp...
07-11-2009, 03:56 PM
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The engine might actually be getting very hot - you would not notice this as the temp guage does not move till quite a high temp anyway . I'm picking this is in slow speed stop start traffic ?
Suggest you try putting about 6-7oz of two stroke oil in with the gas next time you fill up - this may improve your compression when hot . If it works you may have a compression loss issue ......
Suggest you try putting about 6-7oz of two stroke oil in with the gas next time you fill up - this may improve your compression when hot . If it works you may have a compression loss issue ......
07-11-2009, 04:02 PM
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BTW whats the detonation?
07-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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The only real way to check the fuel pump is to replace it. You won't throw a code for it. Detonation occurs when excessive heat and pressure in the combustion chamber cause the air/fuel mixture to auto ignite prematurely.
07-12-2009, 01:45 AM
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second Brettus on low engine compression being a likely cause, sorry to say that engine stalling under high heat conditions due to a bad engine is a definite issue on the early RX-8s, the noise could be internal mechanical damage
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/rx8-engine-replacement-bad-news-66842/
you say there is no warranty? Is this due to being a salvage or something? Mazda extended the engine warranty due to problems on the early models, so unless there's something unusual causing you not to be under warranty if the engine compression is under spec it should be covered.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-trouble-shooting-95/rx8-engine-replacement-bad-news-66842/
you say there is no warranty? Is this due to being a salvage or something? Mazda extended the engine warranty due to problems on the early models, so unless there's something unusual causing you not to be under warranty if the engine compression is under spec it should be covered.
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07-12-2009, 09:43 AM
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she should not be having a prob with detonation if it's just stock(whichi'm guessing it is) and she's using at least 91 oct....
def could be a fuel pump....didn't mean to confuse!
def could be a fuel pump....didn't mean to confuse!
07-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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Nobody wants to propose the coils? Nearly 60K miles, problems when hot, "detonation"/MIAC noise, etc. 
OP; when was the last time your spark plugs, plug wires, and/or ignition coils were replaced?
OP; when was the last time your spark plugs, plug wires, and/or ignition coils were replaced?
07-12-2009, 12:02 PM
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I would start with coils, etc. But your symptoms are just like mine and I had low compression which is why my baby is getting its third engine. Texas heat is a ****!!! What part of Texas are you in?
07-13-2009, 11:11 AM
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In San Antonio, Tx.. I have changed all the plugs, wires and coils maybe a month ago.. It is stock and original engine..
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07-13-2009, 11:20 AM
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If you are still stalling after replacing all those components then likely (like 99.9% sure because its exactly the symptoms my last two motors had) its low compression and you should have the dealer look at it.
We will be having a mod day here in San Antonio once my car is back from North Park so if you want we can take a look at it then. Just check the Gulf Forum for updates.
We will be having a mod day here in San Antonio once my car is back from North Park so if you want we can take a look at it then. Just check the Gulf Forum for updates.
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07-13-2009, 12:11 PM
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Since you've replaced electrical components it would seem to be compression related. Stick with 91 or better octane to preclude pre-detonation and in the short term you could try pre-mixing some 2 -cycle oil in the gas, typically 4 oz. per tankful (Idemitsu or similar) to aide the apex seals.
Keep in mind that we do have a 8 yr/100k warranty on the drivetrain so if worse comes to worst you're covered for a Mazda rebuilt engine.
Keep in mind that we do have a 8 yr/100k warranty on the drivetrain so if worse comes to worst you're covered for a Mazda rebuilt engine.
07-13-2009, 12:22 PM
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If you didn't see this OP, the engine warranty is good for 100,000 miles or 8 years, your engine should still be covered.
07-13-2009, 12:35 PM
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Throw 2-4 ounces of 2 cycle oil in the tank and see what happens. If it start running good, your apex seals are going from the recall issues and you need to get the engine replaced.
Damn you TX weather for punishing our car in the summer time!!!!
07-15-2009, 12:44 PM
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I gave up! I took it into the shop on Monday wit Sean at Northpark Mazda.. Still no word.. I want to say it's the engine but I had an marble in a can noise all the time coming frm the back.. Thanks for letting me know about the warrenty, I was wondering how I was going to pay for a new engine.. Thanks for all the help.. I will let yall know whats wrong wit in when I find out.. BTW how long does it stay in the shop for a new engine?
07-15-2009, 02:53 PM
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Yeah NP has had my car for a week and they still have not gotten the engine yet. I went this morning and there were two others currently getting motors in the shop and several others in the service lot.