Can't Drift. why?
09-02-2006, 10:34 AM
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Can't Drift. why?
4 cars of the north borneo RX8 club went drifting today.
Please exclude the driver factor, we exchanged drivers.
2 cars, 6MT ------1 can drift, 1 cannot
1 Type E, 4AT------can't drift
1 normal 4AT------can drift
i was wondering why is this? DSC is off.
Please exclude the driver factor, we exchanged drivers.
2 cars, 6MT ------1 can drift, 1 cannot
1 Type E, 4AT------can't drift
1 normal 4AT------can drift
i was wondering why is this? DSC is off.
09-02-2006, 10:42 AM
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He's as bad as Can
09-02-2006, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by theboy
4 cars of the north borneo RX8 club went drifting today.
Please exclude the driver factor, we exchanged drivers.
2 cars, 6MT ------1 can drift, 1 cannot
1 Type E, 4AT------can't drift
1 normal 4AT------can drift
i was wondering why is this? DSC is off.
Please exclude the driver factor, we exchanged drivers.
2 cars, 6MT ------1 can drift, 1 cannot
1 Type E, 4AT------can't drift
1 normal 4AT------can drift
i was wondering why is this? DSC is off.
normal 4at?
plz explain. what this means?
Almost impossible/very hard to slide with DSC on.
09-02-2006, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Surfer
Type E?
normal 4at?
plz explain. what this means?
Almost impossible/very hard to slide with DSC on.
normal 4at?
plz explain. what this means?
Almost impossible/very hard to slide with DSC on.
09-02-2006, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dillsrotary
he's from malaysia, those are the names of their models, same as ours just different names.
Wonder why different countries, different names?
09-02-2006, 11:55 PM
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you can drift with 8, but why ?
Are you gonna do it on public roads or something? if you do, I wish you go to hell.
This is not TFTF:TD buddy. That kind of bs wont happen in real life, no one can learn that kind of drifing in such or short time , super 20000 IQ or not.
and you dont need torque to drift, you need speed. Keep it at 70 mph when going into a corner. You'll know what I mean.
To be able to drift in our 8, you have to shut TSC off as well. pressing the DSC button once will only disable DSC.
Are you gonna do it on public roads or something? if you do, I wish you go to hell.
This is not TFTF:TD buddy. That kind of bs wont happen in real life, no one can learn that kind of drifing in such or short time , super 20000 IQ or not.
and you dont need torque to drift, you need speed. Keep it at 70 mph when going into a corner. You'll know what I mean.
To be able to drift in our 8, you have to shut TSC off as well. pressing the DSC button once will only disable DSC.
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09-03-2006, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
you can drift with 8, but why ?
Are you gonna do it on public roads or something? if you do, I wish you go to hell.
This is not TFTF:TD buddy. That kind of bs wont happen in real life, no one can learn that kind of drifing in such or short time , super 20000 IQ or not.
and you dont need torque to drift, you need speed. Keep it at 70 mph when going into a corner. You'll know what I mean.
To be able to drift in our 8, you have to shut TSC off as well. pressing the DSC button once will only disable DSC.
Are you gonna do it on public roads or something? if you do, I wish you go to hell.
This is not TFTF:TD buddy. That kind of bs wont happen in real life, no one can learn that kind of drifing in such or short time , super 20000 IQ or not.
and you dont need torque to drift, you need speed. Keep it at 70 mph when going into a corner. You'll know what I mean.
To be able to drift in our 8, you have to shut TSC off as well. pressing the DSC button once will only disable DSC.
We do not drift in road can't u read properly we are doing it in a open area safe and clear. we are not talking bout those kinda drift you think you know. we are talking about donuting. you are full of BS. my friend who own a 8 did the donut drift at 1st attempt. thats why i am asking this question here! u can drift at 1st gear, No we don't need speed.ya i use federal, cause its very cheap and i do a lot of travel. its cheap cause company is paying for it. i suspect tyre pressure is not enough.
09-03-2006, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by theboy
Hey bro, We do not drift in road can't u read properly we are doing it in a open area safe and clear
We do not drift in road can't u read properly we are doing it in a open area safe and clear
Originally Posted by theboy
. we are not talking bout those kinda drift you think you know. we are talking about donuting.
Originally Posted by theboy
you are full of BS.
Originally Posted by theboy
my friend who own a 8 did the donut drift at 1st attempt
again.. whats a donut Drift thats why i am asking this question here! u can drift at 1st gear, No we don't need speed.
again.. whats a donut Drift thats why i am asking this question here! u can drift at 1st gear, No we don't need speed.
09-03-2006, 09:06 AM
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OK, back to the original subject.
I am not a fan of "drifting" per se, but I would like to be able to get the back end out at the skid pad to practice the recovery, which I have heard is very touchy in this car.
I was at a skid pad event last year with my STi and an older couple was playing with their bone stock RX-8 and could not control the oversteer. When the back end stepped out, it was a spin every time. I don't want to discover that problem for the first time on the track at speed in a corner with a lack of runoff. I never asked them how they were getting it loose, but it seemed liek they were getting power oversteer in second at low speeds.
I added -1 degree of negative camber up front with 7 degrees of caster and know for a fact that the car will try to step out if I lift in a corner, but WILL NOT POWER OVERSTEER in second gear. It is glued. While that is a good thing, I wish there were a way to get it uncomposed so that I can learn how to recover it. The problem with using a throttle lift to induce oversteer is that it is too short lived. The car will either skid to a stop once sideways, or will immediately hook up if I add throttle back in.
Any suggestions?
I am not a fan of "drifting" per se, but I would like to be able to get the back end out at the skid pad to practice the recovery, which I have heard is very touchy in this car.
I was at a skid pad event last year with my STi and an older couple was playing with their bone stock RX-8 and could not control the oversteer. When the back end stepped out, it was a spin every time. I don't want to discover that problem for the first time on the track at speed in a corner with a lack of runoff. I never asked them how they were getting it loose, but it seemed liek they were getting power oversteer in second at low speeds.
I added -1 degree of negative camber up front with 7 degrees of caster and know for a fact that the car will try to step out if I lift in a corner, but WILL NOT POWER OVERSTEER in second gear. It is glued. While that is a good thing, I wish there were a way to get it uncomposed so that I can learn how to recover it. The problem with using a throttle lift to induce oversteer is that it is too short lived. The car will either skid to a stop once sideways, or will immediately hook up if I add throttle back in.
Any suggestions?
09-03-2006, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RX8Maine
OK, back to the original subject.
I am not a fan of "drifting" per se, but I would like to be able to get the back end out at the skid pad to practice the recovery, which I have heard is very touchy in this car.
I was at a skid pad event last year with my STi and an older couple was playing with their bone stock RX-8 and could not control the oversteer. When the back end stepped out, it was a spin every time. I don't want to discover that problem for the first time on the track at speed in a corner with a lack of runoff. I never asked them how they were getting it loose, but it seemed liek they were getting power oversteer in second at low speeds.
I added -1 degree of negative camber up front with 7 degrees of caster and know for a fact that the car will try to step out if I lift in a corner, but WILL NOT POWER OVERSTEER in second gear. It is glued. While that is a good thing, I wish there were a way to get it uncomposed so that I can learn how to recover it. The problem with using a throttle lift to induce oversteer is that it is too short lived. The car will either skid to a stop once sideways, or will immediately hook up if I add throttle back in.
Any suggestions?
I am not a fan of "drifting" per se, but I would like to be able to get the back end out at the skid pad to practice the recovery, which I have heard is very touchy in this car.
I was at a skid pad event last year with my STi and an older couple was playing with their bone stock RX-8 and could not control the oversteer. When the back end stepped out, it was a spin every time. I don't want to discover that problem for the first time on the track at speed in a corner with a lack of runoff. I never asked them how they were getting it loose, but it seemed liek they were getting power oversteer in second at low speeds.
I added -1 degree of negative camber up front with 7 degrees of caster and know for a fact that the car will try to step out if I lift in a corner, but WILL NOT POWER OVERSTEER in second gear. It is glued. While that is a good thing, I wish there were a way to get it uncomposed so that I can learn how to recover it. The problem with using a throttle lift to induce oversteer is that it is too short lived. The car will either skid to a stop once sideways, or will immediately hook up if I add throttle back in.
Any suggestions?
09-03-2006, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
Weird.. i scanned your posts over and over in this thread.. and it didnt say ANYTHING about you drifting in "open area safe and clear" ..
Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
Drifting and donuting are preety much two differnt things.. In one case you area sending your car around in circles. the other one going at a speed.. and taking a corner so you preety much Slide threw the corner going sideways......
Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
No hes not........
Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
maybe you just need a better driver... if you are using the automatic.. its no wonder you can drift... or "do donut drifting" you need to turn off your traction control to be able to do it..
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09-03-2006, 10:20 AM
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RX8Maine, this was what an experienced friend told me. hope it helps.
""Boy, What tires and rim sizes are you using? More grip in the rear vs the front can cause you to experience understeer, hence you won't ba able to oversteer.
With or without LSD, you should still be able to swing the rear out in a fish tail style. Only thing with LSD, you would be able to hold the car in a prolong drift more than without LSD.""
""Boy, What tires and rim sizes are you using? More grip in the rear vs the front can cause you to experience understeer, hence you won't ba able to oversteer.
With or without LSD, you should still be able to swing the rear out in a fish tail style. Only thing with LSD, you would be able to hold the car in a prolong drift more than without LSD.""
09-03-2006, 06:53 PM
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The two times I've got the back end out I was in first and foolishly took a corner in triptronic doing about 20'sh and kept my foot on the pedal and opps pressed down hehe. The rev's kicked up and her backend came undone. Its easy to control though which I'm very happy about and I brought her back straight. The first time I did this was by accident the 2nd was me being a slight idiot to harass a friend.
I'd suggest with my small experince with getting my backend out is try your open parkinglot again and start by going straight at about 20mph in triptronic for your A/T's then cut the wheel and floor it. First gear will/should bring you up to 40mph which should be able to induce significant wheel spin. I havent used my E-brake yet and dont plan on it so I can't input any suggestions on using it to help ya out.
I'd suggest with my small experince with getting my backend out is try your open parkinglot again and start by going straight at about 20mph in triptronic for your A/T's then cut the wheel and floor it. First gear will/should bring you up to 40mph which should be able to induce significant wheel spin. I havent used my E-brake yet and dont plan on it so I can't input any suggestions on using it to help ya out.
09-03-2006, 07:45 PM
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From down here in Melbourne, Australia...
Some of us have done a skidpan session and had no problem getting the back end to swing around. The instructor did mention the chassis balance of the RX8 has tremendous mechanical grip. It is after all a great handling car, so why drift?
People who had a stiffer setup was easier to drift and control as well.
Someone mentioned... especially those addicted to tracking - "If you drift - YOU are slow!"
Most of us down here did skidpan sessions to familiarize with the way the car behaves in a sideways slide (drift???). AND let me tell you - on the racetrack, those sessions do pay off!.
I find it more amusing to beat the clock than burn rubber.
Some of us have done a skidpan session and had no problem getting the back end to swing around. The instructor did mention the chassis balance of the RX8 has tremendous mechanical grip. It is after all a great handling car, so why drift?
People who had a stiffer setup was easier to drift and control as well.
Someone mentioned... especially those addicted to tracking - "If you drift - YOU are slow!"
Most of us down here did skidpan sessions to familiarize with the way the car behaves in a sideways slide (drift???). AND let me tell you - on the racetrack, those sessions do pay off!.
I find it more amusing to beat the clock than burn rubber.
09-03-2006, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by abbid
I suspect the problem is in the drivers seat. I've had no issues kicking out the rear in wet, or dry conditions as long as i add proper power when feinting into a corner...
This car is ridiculously easy to control even when out of control. Tell her where you want to go and she will put you there, just make sure you dont tell her to go into a wall or a post and you should have no problem..
This car is ridiculously easy to control even when out of control. Tell her where you want to go and she will put you there, just make sure you dont tell her to go into a wall or a post and you should have no problem..
thx for the help