BHR Ignition question
12-14-2011, 10:09 AM
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BHR Ignition question
So to make a long story short, I had two coils go out and two plugs were fouled. I am changing the set of four plugs wires and cables, but this is the worst possible timing for me because of Christmas. I was ready to go with the BHR Ignition as soon as I got my tax return in a few months because I know from this awesome forum that failures occur around 30K miles, Im at 27K, and I wanted to go with their setup. Well again because of the timing I could only afford the OEM set on Mazmart, which are supposed to be the redesigned coils and wires? Anyway the main question is, is the difference so much that I should shell out another $500 to go with the BHR kit, eventhough i now have brand new coils and wires?
12-14-2011, 10:33 AM
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I think you should use the new OEM coils for about 20K miles and then hit us up with an order for the BHR Ignition System. There is a reported improvement from those who have made the upgrade, even a few '09 models with as few as 6K miles on the them, but I see no point in forsaking a known good (new) set of coils/wires/plugs, etc. so close to Christmas. Enjoy your holidays, see how things go financially, and we will be here when you are ready for whatever it is you need, whether parts or advice.
12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
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So to make a long story short, I had two coils go out and two plugs were fouled. I am changing the set of four plugs wires and cables, but this is the worst possible timing for me because of Christmas. I was ready to go with the BHR Ignition as soon as I got my tax return in a few months because I know from this awesome forum that failures occur around 30K miles, Im at 27K, and I wanted to go with their setup. Well again because of the timing I could only afford the OEM set on Mazmart, which are supposed to be the redesigned coils and wires? Anyway the main question is, is the difference so much that I should shell out another $500 to go with the BHR kit, eventhough i now have brand new coils and wires?
I was in the same boat as you a few months ago. Needed a new ignition system, I did just like you and got a new oem set (with those joke of a update coils). Not even 2,000 miles after I put on the new oem set in, I had two coils fail on me. Talk about a waste of money...
I sucked it up and got the bhr set, talk about a night and day difference! MPGs went up, idle improved, upper rpm band became smooth, start ups got a little quicker, **** I could even enjoy using the a/c again. That was about 6k miles ago, still works great till this day! (thanks again Charles!)
Bottom line?
Oem = LOL
BHR = WIN
12-14-2011, 12:43 PM
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/\ OK - that is not my experience.
How about this then .....
I have personally tuned 3 turbocharged cars making between 280-320whp fitted with D585 coils (same as BHR uses) and the before and after results were identical to oem coils.
How about this then .....
I have personally tuned 3 turbocharged cars making between 280-320whp fitted with D585 coils (same as BHR uses) and the before and after results were identical to oem coils.
Last edited by Brettus; 12-14-2011 at 12:45 PM.
12-14-2011, 12:58 PM
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How else would one react to paying around $300 for a new oem ignition system and have two coils fail in under 2,000 miles? I don't blame RR, I blame Mazda cheaping out.
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
12-14-2011, 01:03 PM
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How else would one react to paying around $300 for a new oem ignition system and have two coils fail in under 2,000 miles? I don't blame RR, I blame Mazda cheaping out.
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
12-14-2011, 01:29 PM
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Not only have I seen many people say that the OE coils were failed when in fact they weren't, I did it myself too quite a few years back
The factory method for checking the OE coils is not accurate. The early internet version of the factory manual had a mistake in it that if used, makes you believe they have failed when they haven't. Otherwise most people guess about it with the usual butt dyno mentality.
IMO the only accurate method is the HEI spark tester tool, which happens to work on both of them
otherwise I could care less which coils you use because at some point you will need to test either one accurately for troubleshooting purposes. I have personal experience with both coil types failing. It also tests the wires too. See my DIY thread.
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The factory method for checking the OE coils is not accurate. The early internet version of the factory manual had a mistake in it that if used, makes you believe they have failed when they haven't. Otherwise most people guess about it with the usual butt dyno mentality.
IMO the only accurate method is the HEI spark tester tool, which happens to work on both of them
otherwise I could care less which coils you use because at some point you will need to test either one accurately for troubleshooting purposes. I have personal experience with both coil types failing. It also tests the wires too. See my DIY thread.
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 12-14-2011 at 01:38 PM.
12-14-2011, 03:02 PM
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I'm not sure what method was used when Mazda tested the coils, all I know for sure is, I had random hard starting (hot or cold), poor throttle response, very jumpy accelerating to red line, and lower than average mpgs (14mpg was my best prior to bhr). The two coils Mazda said were bad (L1 and T2) both had those white marks on the bottom, while the other 2 look brand new still.
I now average 16mpg city / 22 hwy, which seems a lot better.
I now average 16mpg city / 22 hwy, which seems a lot better.
12-14-2011, 04:50 PM
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12-15-2011, 11:52 PM
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OK, everybody start sending me the coils you were likely going to just throw away and let me test them
otherwise any coil can fail, it doesn't matter if it is OE, GM, made in China, or whatever
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otherwise any coil can fail, it doesn't matter if it is OE, GM, made in China, or whatever
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 12-15-2011 at 11:54 PM.
12-16-2011, 12:57 PM
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Yep if he is serious I would send him my 4 old ones also. I just wonder if he can test to see how healthy the coil is or only if it works or not.
12-16-2011, 01:13 PM
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Per my DIY thread the tester heavily loads the coil to determine if they will fire or not under that load. They either pass with a strong consistent spark or fail with a weak inconsistent or no spark. If they are good it snaps sharply with each firing. It will also do the same for the wires. It was originally a GM factory tool and is done on the car with the engine running or cranking.
Yes I am serious. PM me.
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Yes I am serious. PM me.
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 12-16-2011 at 01:18 PM.
12-17-2011, 12:16 AM
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How else would one react to paying around $300 for a new oem ignition system and have two coils fail in under 2,000 miles? I don't blame RR, I blame Mazda cheaping out.
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
Of cousre I will list all those differences cause I had 2 bad coils when I went with bhr. In my experience oem was a total waste of cash.
I should have worded it better I guess... What wires would you recommend for oem coils then?
oh yeah, I think it's time for me to use my Warranty. Why? cuz I CAN :D MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FREE HAHAHAHAHAMAUHAHAHAHAHAH
my oe wires are only couple thousand miles old. Hmm hell I still have a set of RB wires in my garage with maybe 5-6K on them. maybe I should swap it AFTER I GET MY LIFETIME WARRANTY THING DONE ... WEEeeeEEEEeeeEeeEEEE
Last edited by nycgps; 12-17-2011 at 12:19 AM.