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03-25-2005, 10:38 AM
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10k to spend!
Hey everyone! I just bought my rx8 and in june plan on spending around 10k maybe a lil more decking out my car.... Im thinking goign with greddy turbo... and getting the gt4 package here http://www.srmotorsports.com/RX8_Packages.html... what else ?? also i live in akron ohio anyone know ne great car shops to take my car to to have thme install all this for me??? and hopefully they have a dyno??? thanks a lot guys!!!! when i start ordering stuff ill post!!!!! I really need to find a shop though!
03-25-2005, 10:57 AM
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Hello and welcome to the club. I would also check out the Rx7 boards for rotary themed shops in the Ohio area. You sound like your not that mechanically inclined. Finding a good shop will be VERY important since the installation of the turbo will void most of your warranty and you might fail any emissions testing your state does. You will be very much on your own after putting on a turbo. Since June is a few months away you have time to spend searching this board for information. There are MANY threads about the upgrades you have planned. 10K is a serious amount of money to spend on a 28K car so you should do as much research as possible. If I were you I would put that money into the suspension and most important TRACK TIME. The best performance dollars spent will be on improving the driver. Once your warranty is up then it might be time for a Turbo.
03-25-2005, 12:05 PM
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Personally I'm happy with the stock performance. If I had $10,000 to spend on it, I'd go with some super high-end paint job. One of the polyprismatic color-shifting paints. :D
03-31-2005, 01:07 AM
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if u search on the package you want to buy, you are going to be dissappointed moneywise. People who bought their package, not sure if it was 4, but they bought their products say it wasnt worth it. I just remember seeing it. I say use it on a kit, turbo (greddy or srs), or the superchargers in developed like the others said by hymme or richard.
03-31-2005, 05:14 PM
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IMO I would get the SSR Turbo instead of the Greddy...The SSR has much more HP Gain...As I have seen from the dyno charts...
check out mazdaparts.com. and find the turbo and look at the dyno...120HP Max Gain.
check out mazdaparts.com. and find the turbo and look at the dyno...120HP Max Gain.
04-02-2005, 07:18 PM
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It's a waste of money to put more then 5k in low-end, mass produced car. you would never recoup the money on resale. Put 3k in the car and 7k in a Roth IRA or stock and bond.
If you dump 10k in car, you might as will burn it.
If you dump 10k in car, you might as will burn it.
04-02-2005, 08:29 PM
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It's a waste of money to put more then 5k in low-end, mass produced car. you would never recoup the money on resale. Put 3k in the car and 7k in a Roth IRA or stock and bond.
If you dump 10k in car, you might as will burn it.
If you dump 10k in car, you might as will burn it.
04-02-2005, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sigma
Hell, with that logic it's a waste of money to even buy the car. Should just buy a 2-year-old Civic, drive it til the wheels fall off, then still sell it for half what you paid.
04-02-2005, 11:19 PM
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The point is that you could buy any number of cars that provide the same utility as the RX-8 without exposing yourself to so much lost money. Buying a car is unavoidable, yes, but buying a new $32,000 car is very avoidable.
Explaining why buying an RX-8 over a Civic isn't "burning money" is just as futile as explaining why putting $10,000 in mods in your car is.
You obviously felt that the added features of the RX-8 were worth the money that you lost compared to other cars, while still leaving you with sufficient money to save and invest for the future. Other people either have different standards on what to save or they make sufficient income that they can spend an additional $10K without exposing themselves to anymore financial loss (as a percentage of income) than you exposed yourself to just by buying the car.
I put about $5-10,000 a year in modifications on my cars too. But I also save $30,000 a year at a minimum. Could I save $40,000 by not modding the car? Sure. But I could also save about $50,000 if I avoided by cars that were in excess of what I "need" to get to work and back. And maybe I could save $55,000 a year if I avoided eating out. And maybe I could save $65,000 if the wife's car wasn't a new one too. And maybe I could save $70,000 if I stocked up on coupons and bought generic brand groceries at the 99-cent store. And maybe I could save $75,000 if I didn't take vacations. I could do a whole lot of things if I lowered my standards on everything and stopped doing things that I enjoy because they're "a waste".
Everyone has different standards. Someone could "waste" $10,000 on car modifications and still might be financially better off than you if they make sufficient income or are perhaps a little more fiscally responsible in other areas. You obviously deemed it appropriate to waste a portion of your income on a car that is nothing more than a financial black hole that is far in excess of what you "need". I might waste the same proportion of my income but still be able to buy $10K in mods a year. Or perhaps I just have a different standard on what percentage of my income is okay to "waste".
Bottom line is that an RX-8 owner calling out another RX-8 owner for "burning money" is just the pot calling the kettle black. We're all flushing money down the drain here.
Explaining why buying an RX-8 over a Civic isn't "burning money" is just as futile as explaining why putting $10,000 in mods in your car is.
You obviously felt that the added features of the RX-8 were worth the money that you lost compared to other cars, while still leaving you with sufficient money to save and invest for the future. Other people either have different standards on what to save or they make sufficient income that they can spend an additional $10K without exposing themselves to anymore financial loss (as a percentage of income) than you exposed yourself to just by buying the car.
I put about $5-10,000 a year in modifications on my cars too. But I also save $30,000 a year at a minimum. Could I save $40,000 by not modding the car? Sure. But I could also save about $50,000 if I avoided by cars that were in excess of what I "need" to get to work and back. And maybe I could save $55,000 a year if I avoided eating out. And maybe I could save $65,000 if the wife's car wasn't a new one too. And maybe I could save $70,000 if I stocked up on coupons and bought generic brand groceries at the 99-cent store. And maybe I could save $75,000 if I didn't take vacations. I could do a whole lot of things if I lowered my standards on everything and stopped doing things that I enjoy because they're "a waste".
Everyone has different standards. Someone could "waste" $10,000 on car modifications and still might be financially better off than you if they make sufficient income or are perhaps a little more fiscally responsible in other areas. You obviously deemed it appropriate to waste a portion of your income on a car that is nothing more than a financial black hole that is far in excess of what you "need". I might waste the same proportion of my income but still be able to buy $10K in mods a year. Or perhaps I just have a different standard on what percentage of my income is okay to "waste".
Bottom line is that an RX-8 owner calling out another RX-8 owner for "burning money" is just the pot calling the kettle black. We're all flushing money down the drain here.
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04-02-2005, 11:45 PM
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http://www.esotericsoundandperformance.com/
This highend shop is in Ohio but not sure if it's close to you.They do alot of custom work ranging from custom audio,custom interior,lambo doors,turbos,etc
The co-owner is Jim also known as Jbondox. Met him through another forum. Check them out if they are close by you. Tell him TRU681 from the PhoenixGold forum with the custom RX-8 audio system recommended his work & he might hook it up.
This highend shop is in Ohio but not sure if it's close to you.They do alot of custom work ranging from custom audio,custom interior,lambo doors,turbos,etc
The co-owner is Jim also known as Jbondox. Met him through another forum. Check them out if they are close by you. Tell him TRU681 from the PhoenixGold forum with the custom RX-8 audio system recommended his work & he might hook it up.
04-03-2005, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Sigma
The point is that you could buy any number of cars that provide the same utility as the RX-8 without exposing yourself to so much lost money. Buying a car is unavoidable, yes, but buying a new $32,000 car is very avoidable.
Explaining why buying an RX-8 over a Civic isn't "burning money" is just as futile as explaining why putting $10,000 in mods in your car is.
You obviously felt that the added features of the RX-8 were worth the money that you lost compared to other cars, while still leaving you with sufficient money to save and invest for the future. Other people either have different standards on what to save or they make sufficient income that they can spend an additional $10K without exposing themselves to anymore financial loss (as a percentage of income) than you exposed yourself to just by buying the car.
I put about $5-10,000 a year in modifications on my cars too. But I also save $30,000 a year at a minimum. Could I save $40,000 by not modding the car? Sure. But I could also save about $50,000 if I avoided by cars that were in excess of what I "need" to get to work and back. And maybe I could save $55,000 a year if I avoided eating out. And maybe I could save $65,000 if the wife's car wasn't a new one too. And maybe I could save $70,000 if I stocked up on coupons and bought generic brand groceries at the 99-cent store. And maybe I could save $75,000 if I didn't take vacations. I could do a whole lot of things if I lowered my standards on everything and stopped doing things that I enjoy because they're "a waste".
Everyone has different standards. Someone could "waste" $10,000 on car modifications and still might be financially better off than you if they make sufficient income or are perhaps a little more fiscally responsible in other areas. You obviously deemed it appropriate to waste a portion of your income on a car that is nothing more than a financial black hole that is far in excess of what you "need". I might waste the same proportion of my income but still be able to buy $10K in mods a year. Or perhaps I just have a different standard on what percentage of my income is okay to "waste".
Bottom line is that an RX-8 owner calling out another RX-8 owner for "burning money" is just the pot calling the kettle black. We're all flushing money down the drain here.
Explaining why buying an RX-8 over a Civic isn't "burning money" is just as futile as explaining why putting $10,000 in mods in your car is.
You obviously felt that the added features of the RX-8 were worth the money that you lost compared to other cars, while still leaving you with sufficient money to save and invest for the future. Other people either have different standards on what to save or they make sufficient income that they can spend an additional $10K without exposing themselves to anymore financial loss (as a percentage of income) than you exposed yourself to just by buying the car.
I put about $5-10,000 a year in modifications on my cars too. But I also save $30,000 a year at a minimum. Could I save $40,000 by not modding the car? Sure. But I could also save about $50,000 if I avoided by cars that were in excess of what I "need" to get to work and back. And maybe I could save $55,000 a year if I avoided eating out. And maybe I could save $65,000 if the wife's car wasn't a new one too. And maybe I could save $70,000 if I stocked up on coupons and bought generic brand groceries at the 99-cent store. And maybe I could save $75,000 if I didn't take vacations. I could do a whole lot of things if I lowered my standards on everything and stopped doing things that I enjoy because they're "a waste".
Everyone has different standards. Someone could "waste" $10,000 on car modifications and still might be financially better off than you if they make sufficient income or are perhaps a little more fiscally responsible in other areas. You obviously deemed it appropriate to waste a portion of your income on a car that is nothing more than a financial black hole that is far in excess of what you "need". I might waste the same proportion of my income but still be able to buy $10K in mods a year. Or perhaps I just have a different standard on what percentage of my income is okay to "waste".
Bottom line is that an RX-8 owner calling out another RX-8 owner for "burning money" is just the pot calling the kettle black. We're all flushing money down the drain here.
I am going to use general figures.
If you by a 30k car and then add 10k in upgrades YOU think you have a 40k on trade in/resale.
Upon trade in/resale, a stock 30k car will be worth 20k. the owner of the 30k car with the 10k upgrades thinks his car is worth 30k when in fact it is still worth 20k maybe 22K. So rather then lose only 10k in 2-3 years, (not counting interest) the modded car will lose 17-20k in that same time.
Dealers and most PP will not give the fair market value of aftermarket parts and most will not care. The resale of the car is not effected by 10k worth of mods. Most PP also will pass on a highly modded car for fear of hidden damage from "spirited driving"
Spending 30k on a car is not worth it (in financial sense) but adding 10k is just giving it away.
it would be worth it, IF, the car is paid for in cash, it is kept for 6 or more years, or most of the car is deducted via travel or business use.
04-03-2005, 01:46 PM
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I think Sigma and Samsonite1 areboth trying to say is that a car is a depreciable asset. Modification to any vehicle will not increase the resale value but make it more enjoyable to drive.
I would be leary of the SR GT4 systems....~$2k The claim that they picked up 37HP is just unbeliavable. Check out Racing Beat's web site for some more valid figures to compare with: Read this entire page:
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Turbo kit = good, voided warranty = bad...you will also need the Racing Beat upgraded oil metering unit.
Light weight flywheel = good modification
Underdrive pulley kit...... jury is out....I have SR's on my RX8, but I hear Unorthodox Racing just released a set that is ~ 1/2 the cost of SR's Power Pulley set. I believe in power pullies...I have had good results with them on my 300ZX.
Air intake filters: K&N Typhoon loses you power, Racing Beat just released their kit for ~$320.00..for I am guessing maybe 2-4HP increase...they have not released actual HP numbers yet. I have a aFE filter that is high flow from racing beat that uses the OEM filter housing.
Magentic Oil plug, change out the Transmission and Rear Differential fluids with Red Line or Royal Purple......it will make a big difference in the smoothness of the shifting.
Exhaust, max gain with no muffler is 4HP, so any company claiming 10+ HP from a new exhaust system just wants to take you for a ride.
Make sure to read Racing Beats web site as much as possible. They will provide you with true numbers that you can trust.
I would be leary of the SR GT4 systems....~$2k The claim that they picked up 37HP is just unbeliavable. Check out Racing Beat's web site for some more valid figures to compare with: Read this entire page:
http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm
Turbo kit = good, voided warranty = bad...you will also need the Racing Beat upgraded oil metering unit.
Light weight flywheel = good modification
Underdrive pulley kit...... jury is out....I have SR's on my RX8, but I hear Unorthodox Racing just released a set that is ~ 1/2 the cost of SR's Power Pulley set. I believe in power pullies...I have had good results with them on my 300ZX.
Air intake filters: K&N Typhoon loses you power, Racing Beat just released their kit for ~$320.00..for I am guessing maybe 2-4HP increase...they have not released actual HP numbers yet. I have a aFE filter that is high flow from racing beat that uses the OEM filter housing.
Magentic Oil plug, change out the Transmission and Rear Differential fluids with Red Line or Royal Purple......it will make a big difference in the smoothness of the shifting.
Exhaust, max gain with no muffler is 4HP, so any company claiming 10+ HP from a new exhaust system just wants to take you for a ride.
Make sure to read Racing Beats web site as much as possible. They will provide you with true numbers that you can trust.
04-03-2005, 01:57 PM
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Upon trade in/resale, a stock 30k car will be worth 20k. the owner of the 30k car with the 10k upgrades thinks his car is worth 30k when in fact it is still worth 20k maybe 22K. So rather then lose only 10k in 2-3 years, (not counting interest) the modded car will lose 17-20k in that same time.
Most, if not every, person I know who modifies their car knows very well that not only are they not appreciating the value of the car, they're very likely depreciating it beyond the value of a stock car because of the highly decreased market available to buy it and unwillingness to buy a car that at least 'appears' to have been driven hard.
When I list my Mazda6 in a couple months (waiting for new on the '06 RX-8 before buying) I will list it for KBB private-party or Edmunds TMV value. I might add $500 to it just to see if I get any biters at that price. And it has over $5,000 in modifications to it.
It's just the price you pay for a hobby of sorts. Modding a car is something I can do in my spare time, as well as enjoy the rest of the time. It's like a mini-vacation every time I drive, and I get the value of the pride of having done it myself (although this guy is having his done by someone else). Unless that $10K in car mods is going to break the bank, there's no reason to avoid it if it's what you do for fun. We all do something for fun that costs us money.
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04-04-2005, 07:21 AM
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Just return it to stock when you're ready to sell/trade and sell all the used upgrades to fellow enthusiasts. You still won't get all the "investment" back but the loss will be less.
I think of it this way, I upgrade to make the car more enjoyable for me not to increase it's value so I'm paying to have more fun!! :D
btw: the http://www.rx8store.net/ shop is located in Colombus, OH
I think of it this way, I upgrade to make the car more enjoyable for me not to increase it's value so I'm paying to have more fun!! :D
btw: the http://www.rx8store.net/ shop is located in Colombus, OH
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04-04-2005, 07:32 AM
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i like upgradeing my car....and i'm poor as hell..yes yes bad investment and all that...but you only live once and when i die what am i gonna do ? take all my saved up money with me? :p....besides i'll have my 8 until she fall apart and no longer works.:D which better not be for a long long time . lol
04-11-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Razz1
Richard Pauls Super Charger w/fuel mgmt and intake
Racing Beat Cat Back
Racing Beat Sway Bars
Custom wheels
Racing Beat Cat Back
Racing Beat Sway Bars
Custom wheels
04-11-2005, 11:30 PM
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SR Motorsports GT Packages are not going to yield nearly what they advertise. I have the pullies & the hi-flow cat. You will be lucky to get 15 hp for their GT3 & 20 hp for their GT4 package. If it was my $10K....
1. Racing Beat Suspension Package
2. Greddy Turbo & Installation
3. Cat back Exhaust (RB, Borla, Greddy)
4. Hi-flow cat (RP or SR Motorsports)
5. Upgraded rims & tires
1. Racing Beat Suspension Package
2. Greddy Turbo & Installation
3. Cat back Exhaust (RB, Borla, Greddy)
4. Hi-flow cat (RP or SR Motorsports)
5. Upgraded rims & tires
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Hummm, if you're thinking of any HPDE's or tracking the car, FWIW I find the bigger heat sinks (@ 13'x1.25" rotors) offered by BrakeZone's Wilwood kit (still fits under the stock wheels w/out spacers ~ a bg + IMO) for @ $1,350 a pretty nice addition. Can't beat the red calipers w/red hats (other colors are available too) & 5 or 6 lbs per corner, sprung mass weight savings either. Don't get me wrong. The stock brakes are great. Never had them fade in @ 5 -6 HPDE's with the the MazdaSpeed track/street pads. But these Wilwood's are 'da bomb as your ahh effort level goes up. Some very surprized Nissan "track kit", BMW and Audi cars. Can't out pull them in any of the straights, but in the corners, watch out.
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