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Old 08-25-2010, 03:34 PM
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"with almost no tradeoffs."

I win. I never said how much power it took away I just said there is some. it might even be 1 hp for every 50 but its something.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
A turbo pulls about 7 HP for every 100 it makes.
or this.
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
"with almost no tradeoffs."

I win. I never said how much power it took away I just said there is some. it might even be 1 hp for every 50 but its something.
well you are a little bit right but mostly wrong ..... heh
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Nothing is free but the comparisons to supercharging are an eye opener...
I didn't realize how much turbochargers were using the heat energy.
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/\ yeah - good reason to keep the turbo close to the exhaust ports ........
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Superchargers are more unique!
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Originally Posted by Brettus
well you are a little bit right but mostly wrong ..... heh
Yep that's how i am with everything.
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Superchargers are more unique!
a little bit right but ................. LOL
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Dangit! let me have a win somewhere.
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BTW they can't be "more unique" they are either unique or not . Am I starting to **** you off yet ? LOL
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You would never **** me off every time you post I see boobies.
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Boobies - the answer to all our problems ....
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Yeaaaa
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Yep that's how i am with everything.
Except for your avatar... That is all wrong!


But Brettus' on the other hand....
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
I'm confused if your restricting flow via a turbine wouldn't that take power away from the engine? Or are you just creating energy from nothing?

I was under the impression that if you were to take energy from something and use it that you could not replace it with the same amount of energy.

For example a turbine spinning from exhaust gases, yes it will blow by but you are restricting flow which will impede power.

Hmmm maybe I'm wrong.
You are exactly right, there is not a free lunch; energy is not created from nothing.

I would like to see the following on a normally aspirated car:

Dyno test #1 run a normally aspirated car with a turbo on the exhaust and the boost going into a closed chamber; then you would see the amount of power lost to the exhaust restriction under boost.

Dyno test #2 would be the same car (turbo now removed) with a blower mounted and the boost going into a closed chamber for a comparison.
I think the turbo would loose less power in this test than a blower, but there would have to be a measurable amount of power loss for each.


Updated:
Only nitrous is a "free lunch", but only because the gas was already compressed when added to the car.
And you pay for that lunch when filling the bottle!

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Originally Posted by Rote8
I would like to see the following on a normally aspirated car:

Dyno test #1 run a normally aspirated car with a turbo on the exhaust and the boost going into a closed chamber; then you would see the amount of power lost to the exhaust restriction under boost.

Dyno test #2 would be the same car (turbo now removed) with a blower mounted and the boost going into a closed chamber for a comparison.
I think the turbo would loose less power in this test than a blower, but there would have to be a measurable amount of power loss for each.
how are you gonna discharge the compressors into a closed container? i seriously doubt a turbo would live long enough to finish the test. and a positive displacement compressor like the SCs is no better... closed chambers fill up. that changes pressure delta's which they need to function properly
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