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Old Jan 7, 2012 | 09:58 PM
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wtf dude, very 1st hit on Google ....
Yes, finding their website was simple. But not the information as to why they use small turbos, which I could not find on their website. As for the information possibly not being available, I assumed it was since it is what MazdaManiac is recommending as a good read.
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Old Jan 10, 2012 | 06:39 AM
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The other hidden problem is the heat an external wastegate must endure on a high output rotary.

I've destroyed 5 diaphragms on two separate Turbosmart wastegates over the last year. A wategate-preferred path puts most of the heat from the exhaust directly into the WG piston. I am trying a TiAL water-cooled gate now, but the next design will probably have two such gates.
When I was using an internal gate, I would destroy a turbine housing - cracking the wall between the main discharge and the WG flap - every couple of months.
Just read this, have you considered Kevlar diaphragms?
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 01:34 AM
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sorry for jumping back in.

is someone making a turbo kit that is kinda plug and play, or even close???


really? i have been away for awhile and need to be spoon fed.

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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 01:48 AM
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g-d swoope, you went and got all nooby on us

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=594
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
g-d swoope, you went and got all nooby on us

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=594
nope,

you got power and stopped paying attention!!! god damn newb..

i should report your ****.


btw, have you lost weight .. you look thinner and faster! how do you do it?




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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by swoope

is someone making a turbo kit that is kinda plug and play, or even close???

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I know a person who has run 325whp and 265ft/lbs for the last 2 yrs and 45000kms

He might know something ....
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
g-d swoope, you went and got all nooby on us

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=594
kinda sorta maybe. but i really have followed the thread..

i might even have posted in it..

but i will go back to ~ 7/10/11 and see if i can find a photo or more info on this non walburo or what ever pump..

thank you sir, may i have another!!

so miss this place...

beers
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:16 AM
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Welcome back swoope! Glad to see you(r avatar)!
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bse50
Welcome back swoope! Glad to see you(r avatar)!
been away for a while.

what happened to the 50. was it a turbo problem? a joke, i kid. (i know you are na.) sorry, got to keep it on point.

i cant believe i have been gone for over 8 months. and still no real turbo or sc solution..

i know it can be done, but not plug and play...

the other car forums i am on right now are so demure.

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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:30 AM
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#50 is gone for a mechanical problem to a joint. Unfortunately not car related!

Well, the go to guy is Elliott (turblown). His kits are as plug and play as it gets, the low mount variant doesn't even need the removal of our beloved OMP.
Shoot him a pm!
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bse50
#50 is gone for a mechanical problem to a joint. Unfortunately not car related!

Well, the go to guy is Elliott (turblown). His kits are as plug and play as it gets, the low mount variant doesn't even need the removal of our beloved OMP.
Shoot him a pm!
link or it did not happen..

i am sad, i missed the first fri race before the rolex24.

have been doing it for 9 years. weather always perfect.

then for the 24hr race, some form of suck... well this year!

24hr guys, have huge fun. fla usa! rocks. have big fun..

perfect weather.. birdy told me, fun stuff with bdc porting. am i wrong?

not a damn thing in this post has a thing to do with turbos, but really? is there one out there that be kinda sorta plug and play?

sorry, who is tuning this stuff?

beers
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 03:54 AM
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https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/turblown-turbo-system-differences-226354/
Have fun reading!
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Old Jan 28, 2012 | 07:20 AM
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I think swoop is drunk posting!

Welcome back dude

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Or his account has been hacked! Which is just as funny
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Old Jan 29, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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not really drunk, but had a few,, so hard to get caught up..

beers


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LOL
I think swoop is drunk posting!

Welcome back dude

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Or his account has been hacked! Which is just as funny
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Old Jan 29, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bse50
thx,

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Old Jan 30, 2012 | 11:46 AM
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Sup Swoope? Welcome back!

Good article:

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...p-details.aspx
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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
Sup Swoope? Welcome back!

Good article:

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...p-details.aspx
yea,

i do understand that stuff.. but waiting for plug and play. after reading for the last couple of days.

seems sfr is kinda there. with turblown getting close, like the thought of the low mount system..

and thx for the welcome back!

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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 01:36 AM
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Sorry my knowledge is limited...What do you think as compared to the 3071r?



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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 01:43 AM
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Sorry my knowledge is limited...What do you think as compared to the 3071r?



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no good - flow at low PR is less than a 3071 . You want high flow at low PR for a turbo rotary .
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Old Apr 30, 2013 | 06:15 PM
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freshened engine, basically a factory REW keg with ceramic seals and porting, now making 480 hp/435 tq at the rear wheels .....

Originally Posted by HppRX7
Turbo: Custom Precision Turbo HP5530SP with .78 AR T3 exhaust housing twin scroll, the exhaust wheel is a 60mm/84trim.

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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
I don't necessarily agree with those values, just making the point. There isn't enough exhaust energy at 1500 rpm, but you can get closer than you think. This is the dyno from the FD3 v-mount discussion in the GTX3576 thread, Precison turbo that is almost equal to the GTX3071R with only a .78 A/R divided T3 turbine on divided low mount and stock block 13B REW, full 20 psig boost @ 3100 using 110 octane gas


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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 04:20 PM
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specs are slightly better than the Precision turbo on the FD3 above (3mm larger turbine). The question is, will it fit on a Greddy manifold, hmmmmmm .....






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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 05:55 PM
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Stupid question;
How do you estimate these lines? How steep they are, and when they will level out(-ish?)
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 06:25 PM
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can't really, it's just a guess running some theoretical calculations (see page 1).

one on left is full boost @ 2000 rpm, other is @ 2500 rpm

in reality it's a curve rather than a straight line
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 07:25 PM
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specs are slightly better than the Precision turbo on the FD3 above (3mm larger turbine). The question is, will it fit on a Greddy manifold, hmmmmmm .....






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At 2.1 PR the Renesis can flow over 60lb/min depending on setup ..... So not sure what you are trying to show here ?

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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 07:50 PM
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While 60 lb/min is the rated limit for this turbo, I'll let someone else argue the accuracy of that assessment. If MM was still here that would be a certainty

If you had the fuel right and could hit 350 hp @ 3000 rpm (just an exaggerated example) and maintain it to rev limit by controlling boost is that a bad thing? Not everyone wants to push the engine to it's unreliable high rpm limit.


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