Supercharge or Turbo
08-31-2008, 04:03 AM
#1
Supercharge or Turbo
So, basically.. I'm thinking of doing FI sometime in the next year or two.... What should I do? I love the sound of the supercharged 8... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K-xzxDpNb8) sounds INSANE. But turbo puts down more horses to the pavement.. With my new 275's coming in, I was wondering what the opinions of the most educated people around would be saying.. I mean, I know the power flys with the esmeril kit, but BHR has some crazy tuners that I'd be willing to fly down here for an install, yet I still wonder about the reliability of everything... It's a tough call and I want to make this choice within the year... Let's hear what would be best?!?!
08-31-2008, 05:56 AM
#2
This is a question that borders on religion. Who worships the correct god.
There is no best. There is only, what is right for you. And you can best figure that out, since you have a one year time frame, by reading & analyzing the posts of people that did go FI.
There is no best. There is only, what is right for you. And you can best figure that out, since you have a one year time frame, by reading & analyzing the posts of people that did go FI.
08-31-2008, 07:14 AM
#3
I disagree. FI is all about getting more. If you get less, then it isn't as good.
It might be better than stock, but you can't consider it best if it makes less. But of course personal choice might make something more suitable for an individual than another...
It might be better than stock, but you can't consider it best if it makes less. But of course personal choice might make something more suitable for an individual than another...
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08-31-2008, 11:29 AM
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+1 to Al's comments.
There's TONS of threads / posts on this. Time to start reading up and pick what you think is best for you
There's TONS of threads / posts on this. Time to start reading up and pick what you think is best for you
08-31-2008, 01:18 PM
#9
Whenever it is that you decide to contact an individual for advice keep note of how many questions he/she asks you regarding your desires and expectations and whether or not they actually listen to your responses. Next, gauge their answers for true objectivity or a veiled agenda.
09-01-2008, 12:56 PM
#11
I've come to realize that every time someone asks that question, not only does god kill a kitten, but that individual will favor whatever flavor they get a taste of early on.
I'd say that of all the folks that have put an FI system on their car, very, very few of them ever got to see what an RX-8 with both possibilities yielded before making their decision.
I think the question would be moot were that to happen, but most people don't have the access or the desire to do that sort of homework.
I'd say that of all the folks that have put an FI system on their car, very, very few of them ever got to see what an RX-8 with both possibilities yielded before making their decision.
I think the question would be moot were that to happen, but most people don't have the access or the desire to do that sort of homework.
09-01-2008, 02:58 PM
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I've come to realize that every time someone asks that question, not only does god kill a kitten, but that individual will favor whatever flavor they get a taste of early on.
I'd say that of all the folks that have put an FI system on their car, very, very few of them ever got to see what an RX-8 with both possibilities yielded before making their decision.
I think the question would be moot were that to happen, but most people don't have the access or the desire to do that sort of homework.
I'd say that of all the folks that have put an FI system on their car, very, very few of them ever got to see what an RX-8 with both possibilities yielded before making their decision.
I think the question would be moot were that to happen, but most people don't have the access or the desire to do that sort of homework.
09-01-2008, 03:17 PM
#13
Canvassing other people's experience is not the same as actually driving in a variety of examples.
Once you have sat right seat (or left seat if you are fortunate) in a bunch of different examples, you come to understand how different the power delivery is from the different systems and also how people's perception colors the validity of the available data and "experiences".
It never ceases to amaze me how much crappy drivability some owners will put up with as "normal".
I've been in plenty of cars that have been described as "screamers" that were complete dogs.
Once you have sat right seat (or left seat if you are fortunate) in a bunch of different examples, you come to understand how different the power delivery is from the different systems and also how people's perception colors the validity of the available data and "experiences".
It never ceases to amaze me how much crappy drivability some owners will put up with as "normal".
I've been in plenty of cars that have been described as "screamers" that were complete dogs.
09-01-2008, 10:06 PM
#14
Yeah, thanks for all the responses guys.. And I've been reading the FI threads IN and OUT for the last 6 months. I try to keep tuned to everything I can. Also, I know a guy locally that has the Mazsport Turbo (I believe type 1), and the power that ride has is quite impressive. Unfortunately, around here there arent many RX-8s STOCK, let alone FI, so it makes it tough to experience it firsthand.. I do agree with the "More is better" aspect of FI, but in that case at this current time it wold be turbo hands down.. Although, MM.. "
isn't exactly true, I tend to over analyze again and again before I make choices, and I've seen a Turbo 8, yet the SC is still very tempting and reasonable.. But I see where you are coming from.. The thing is, I'm also not much of a tech junkie.. So when i go FI I would be dropping some serious coin on a good tune and such, because drivability=#1... I don't want a 400RWHP 8 (well, I do, but I'd rather not try it ATM and have some ROTORGOBOOM on me) 300 is enough, but any number that can be achieved WITH reliability, is great... Ehh, everyone is right though, more research must be done!
I've come to realize that every time someone asks that question, not only does god kill a kitten, but that individual will favor whatever flavor they get a taste of early on."
09-01-2008, 10:46 PM
#16
I would never want to go cheap on anything.. Everything I've bought so far is the real deal.. But ANY things that I can do preliminarily or during the FI install to increase reliability (I suppose COOLING is #1?) that you guys could tell me about would be awesome.
09-02-2008, 10:48 AM
#17
you are right--cooling (no other way but upgrade pump, lower thermostat and a secondary radiator) and detonation prevention water meth system is the top priorities with adding fi to this car. if you live in a part of the country that never sees 90F then your cooling needs would only need a minimal increase.
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09-02-2008, 01:29 PM
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my Axial Flow SC pwns all of you guys.
09-02-2008, 02:26 PM
#24
Thanks for the responses again,
I live in B.C. Canada (west coast) It never really gets TOO hot... but there are those few days in the summer when it hits 35-38 degrees.. I'd rather be on the safe and expensive side then on the cheap and detonated side... Water meth would for sure be a good idea, and a second rad wouldn't be a problem. I hear that there are sometimes issues with fuel pump upgrading and how it's a big pain in the ***, but once again if it ensures a safe F.I. upgrade, it's worth doing. Once again very helpful.. Now, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to grab a Cobb A.P. before going FI or wait a while until I know exactly what path I'm taking before making that choice?
I live in B.C. Canada (west coast) It never really gets TOO hot... but there are those few days in the summer when it hits 35-38 degrees.. I'd rather be on the safe and expensive side then on the cheap and detonated side... Water meth would for sure be a good idea, and a second rad wouldn't be a problem. I hear that there are sometimes issues with fuel pump upgrading and how it's a big pain in the ***, but once again if it ensures a safe F.I. upgrade, it's worth doing. Once again very helpful.. Now, I was wondering if it would be a good idea to grab a Cobb A.P. before going FI or wait a while until I know exactly what path I'm taking before making that choice?
09-02-2008, 02:55 PM
#25
No joke, educating yourself will save you more engines and headaches than any other step of the FI process. Read a simplistic book like Corky Bell's Turbocharging and get used to doing your own research on products both how they have performed on the 8 and how they have performed on other cars. Any FI solution is 100% capable of blowing your engine and sometimes you don't have time/the opportunity to post questions with a few days to shake out some answers. After install, you will be the only one watching your car and it helps a lot to be able to identify a problem/situation while driving before you pop an engine.