very interesting

 

like a dog eating a beefcake

 

I think we can all agree that this is THE MOST EXCITING TIME to be an 8 owner. I have been waiting very patiently for this day. You guys can argue or whatever, but I am just so damned happy! Good luck SSR, Richard Paul, Greddy, and whoever else forges the way for our hopes and dreams!!!

 

ooo what base are you at? all my friends with the 3rd just shiped out to Iraq..boo hoo poor guys...awe well it's been awhile since they go tto taek some names...and of coarse kick some...........:D

-Sapper 65 Delta

 

Just to clarify, I wasnt implying that an exhaust driven turbine is free power.It is just not subject to the same parasitic losses as a belt driven supercharger. There are no free lunches when it comes to forced induction:^(

 

Until a car with this kit goes on the same dyno as a car with a Greddy, we'll never know how different the products are. Once this gets released, two people need to go to the same shop, run on the same dyno on the same day. Then we'll know.

Until then however, I must say I am enjoying the arguing. My favorite thing in the world about internet forums.

 

We are updating our site as we speak, at this time the pricing of the kit will be starting at $5495. However we are still offering the initial introductory offer which will knock off a substantial amount of the pricing. Call our office for more details on how to obtain one of these kits, 520.260.8655.

 

I am at Fort Gordon (blah). I wish I was w/3 ID. They are getting such new and cool equipment that the thought of playing w/it makes me feel warm in my pants. But, alas, I am stuck in 93rd Signal BDE. EAC, DGM/MSE unit. Yes, I am a signal guy. Please dont hold that against me

 

So 7,000 including Engine Mgmt?

This is from SFR's site.. Three times the GReddy kit... Not saying it's bad.. just pointing it out

RX8-Turbo system - $5599
TSI engine management system option - $1395
TSI boost control solenoid-$149
Ball-bearing turbo option - $600
Water injection system-$499
550cc injectors-$400
304SS Cat deletion pipe - $399

 

Lots of stainless though....

 

Hey Keith SFR/ Injector options on ssr- thread says 660cc while your web posted 550cc . which is the correct injectors, please post and call me (R) I left message for you earlier,, And ssr will sell the first 25 at $4995.00

 

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/ssr-sfr-turbo-kit-pricing-52539/

 

Check out our thread and you can see a complete break down of what comes with the kit, and then you can see why it's priced where its at. The price is very fair, we do not tend to try and compete with a japanese based company where they can outsource labor and materials for next to nothing.

here's another reason why our kit is more expensive, below you can see a break down of both kits.

SSR Engineering RX-8 Turbo Kit Component List
-3.5 - 3" 304SS Cold Air Intake
-K&N air filter
-TO4E turbocharger w/ V-Band Clamps
-Turbo Mounting Plate
-304SS Stainless turbo heat shield
-321SS "ultimate flow" turbo header
-Tial 46mm dual-port wastegate
-1.6" 304SS wastegate dumptube (routed into downpipe)
-3" 304SS downpipe
-Spearco intercooler
-2-2.5'' 6061 Aluminum Intercooler Piping
-Tial 50mm Blow off Valve
-Aluminum Battery relocation line w/ cables
-Thermotec Header Wrap w/ Aluminized Heat Shielding
-Stainless Steel Radiator Hose
-Silicone hoses (red, blue or black)
-Stainless steel hoseclamps
-3-an teflon lined oil feed with fittings
-10-an oil drain with fittings

Greddy Turbo Kit Component List:
-Spec: w / turbine, e-manage, inter cooler, full kit
-turbine : T618Z 10cm2 Act:P380,
-ex. manifold : iron casting
-inter cooler : type31C
-piping : aluminum
-AIRINX: AY-MB
-Fuel control: e-manage

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=52538

 

Hey Keith SFR or SSR any new videos yet, and Keith I'llcall you Monday...(R) And how about the new dyno from the other night showing 292whp...

 

And you really can make a comparision by that list for the Greddy kit. That's just a summary vs the detailed list of parts for your own kit...

 

It's what greddy is sending all of it's retailers, is there another list you would like me to use?

http://www.intensepower.com/grtukitt6rxs.html
http://www.hopupracing.com/grtukitmarx.html

 

We are going to be posting some new videos, new pictures and the new charts on monday.

 

Thanks ... I appreciate it, will look forward to it.

 

Fair enough, but for YOU to use as a comparision to show the added value of your kit over theirs... it was hardly fair... even if it's the one THEY publish.

 

7500 for the system is a lot of money.. Thats 2 1/2 times more than the GReddy kit... Do we get a 250% better product?

 

Actually the Greddy kit retails for $4195, and you don't have to use all of our options. For example instead of buying the TSI unit, you can use an e-manage or the canzoomer, or even the S-AFC.

If you're on a budget then you could run our turbo system for $4995 along with a S-AFC or Greddy E-Manage for $300 more and you could safely run our turbo system at 5 PSI.

 

Then, why not make these options available? If you could put together the packages as they are ordered, you would have more marketability and reach a broader customer base. I.E. SSF turbo package w/emanage for $xxxx.xx. Or SSF trubo with TSI for $xxxx.xx. In a world where the customer matters, the customer SHOULD be able to piece his 'extras' on from SSF as he pleases. Just a thought to help you

 

...Pre-tuned... add other (at least one) management option that comes pre-tuned. If one has to buy an e-manage or whatever instead to save a couple bucks, but then has to do their own tuning work... that's more money and time (and time is money as well). Where's the savings gone??

No one's trying to knock your kit SSR/SFR... that list is full of quality parts and from what we've seen it looks well-made. If it does put down the power claimed when going for the full kit (TSI and injectors)... then you've done a great job at boosting performance. However... man that price. Just a suggestion, but maybe a change in marketing strategy is best here...

Telling people what the retail price is for the Greddy kit is only as useful as giving someone the "sticker price" for their car. What matters is what people will actually be paying for it... so if people can find the Greddy kit for an average of $3000, then that's the only number that matters here, because no one is paying MSRP for it.

 

Come on -- the GReddy may "retail" for X but it SELLS for about $2950 shipped -- at least that is what I paid. I seriously considered the SFR/SSR unit -- called them several times. To be honest the price really wasn't even an issue. But the cost/benefit to me is an issue and the fit to my driving application is an issue. In my analysis the GReddy won on cost/benefit hands down and I think it will be a better fit for my application -- pretty normal "spirited" daily driving and an occasional track day.

I think SFR/SSR has a great place in the market and I really hope they are successful GReddy is using their economy of scale to try and dominate the price leadership position. Someone else (maybe SFR/SSR) will develop and successfully market a product that will dominate the quality/performance position in the market. To be the player in that segment necessitates higher pricing, better service, higher quality parts, better engineering, and ultimately superior performance/reliability, etc. I look forward to seeing if SFR/SSR can succeed. My bet right now is on RP if he can put it all together. I have said before the GReddy may just be a temporary fix for me until RP's unit is proven and available. :D

 

RXhusker has got what I was thinking... a change in marketing strategy.