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Old 03-15-2009, 11:03 PM
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They sure aren't fun It's easier with a vice...but I don't have one anymore. They chew up your fingers too

I cut them with a cutoff wheel..it works well for a nice clean cut...the cleanup sucks though..they get full of small pieces of chewed up rubber..and they need to be washed out.

Soap and water, and dry them with an air hose and they are good to go.

I had to make a wrench to tighten some of the connector...damn there is no room down there
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Dan, before you put the upper manifold back on, be SURE to prime the fuel pump to test for any static pressure leaks!!!!

Btw, nice job. I remember doing my full parallel system bout 3 yrs ago -- took 2 days to build, 5 more days to fix, and $700 out of pocket.

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Originally Posted by BDC
Dan, before you put the upper manifold back on, be SURE to prime the fuel pump to test for any static pressure leaks!!!!

Btw, nice job. I remember doing my full parallel system bout 3 yrs ago -- took 2 days to build, 5 more days to fix, and $700 out of pocket.

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For sure...that's next on my list...the pressure test

That sounds about right....1 day to build...and 5 to fix

Don't really want to add up the parts.....gotta be up there somewhere with the whole system
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wow dan..

just wow, hope it is all good in the end.. btw, it is a brisk 72deg f here right now!

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Originally Posted by dannobre
They sure aren't fun It's easier with a vice...but I don't have one anymore. They chew up your fingers too

I cut them with a cutoff wheel..it works well for a nice clean cut...the cleanup sucks though..they get full of small pieces of chewed up rubber..and they need to be washed out.

Soap and water, and dry them with an air hose and they are good to go.

I had to make a wrench to tighten some of the connector...damn there is no room down there
Even with a vise it was bad. I ended using a this metal screw clamps to hold the braid while i cut with cut off wheels. Don't want to do that again its a bitch.
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the large oil lines were worse.....


They sure look good though
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Nah, I've got a nice metal shear I've made some positive blades for, put the hose in, pull the handle, et voila, neatly cut hose. I used to use a dremel with a cutoff wheel though - if you do it that way though, wash the lines out before you fit them, as the silicon carbide dust gets everywhere.
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those lines are a bitch and i am still on pain meds from doing mine!!!
Dan--beautiful job dude--cant wait to see how it all works--sure makes it easier for a sump tank doesnt it?!
couple suggestions?
that heater hose in the back on the firewall? route it under the car --through the sub frame--that takes a good bit of heat away from that area. also on the front fuel line --the alternator gets blistering hot--protect your line from it too.
looks like the oil stick will be a little harder to get too? The yellow curl on the end of the stick can be straightened out and a extension jb welded on the tip.
following with interest
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Well....here it is....Pictures aren't the best..but it's snowing outside

Thought that I'd add a list of parts for anyone interested

OBX Fuel rails
4 16mm X -6 AN adapters
4 crush washers
12 feet -6 SS hose
2 X 180 degree -6 to tube
Canton Racing canister fuel filter (1 micron filter) with -6 adapters
Fuel pressure adapter -6 female to -6 male
2 X 90 deg -6 to tube
1 X 45 deg -6 to tube
3 X straight-6 to tube
connectors for FPR..depends on what type you use

I used high pressure rubber tube for the FPR to stock fuel line..and re-used the stock quick connect on both ends...worked well

You also need to modify your fuel pump with a -6AN 90 degree bulkhead fitting and connect the pump the feed line to it

I have to pressurize it next...wish me luck

Very Nice Dan! I've seen that FPR before...
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Originally Posted by dannobre
the large oil lines were worse.....
Tell me about it, 3 lines of -12 on ours
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Idk what you guys talking about, but the -12 were super easy! lol cutoff wheels made a clean cut.
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Good job, Dan! This is something I am looking into doing sometime sooner than later.
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Wah hoo...no leaks Damn..I was so worried about that

I won't know if this has been a usable mod for a while...but I sure got a lot more potential fuel flow than I had before...and a lot cooler fuel I would think..no more super heated fuel sitting above the engine for extended periods of time. And hopefully more stable fuel pressures.

I just hope the vent system will be OK with all of that warmish fuel coming back into the tank
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Originally Posted by WhiteSnowflake8
Did you get as frustrated as i did when doing them -6 lines?? Man every time i cut they would un-braid so bad. I ended up rigging something up for them small lines.
-4AN is alot more fun.

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your vent system will be overwhelmed--but who cares--right?
in time the fuel will actually get warmer in a return system than a non return BUT just put a cooler on the line.
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Still, we had problems with the fuel boiling in the rail and starving the engine, so I'll put up with some warmer gas in the tank!
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I really can't see it getting that hot......I suppose that there is a new need for a thermocouple
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yep you are right the fuel does get hot in the oem system under the right circumstances--i have a trick---hehe--aint telling either!
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doubt it. he has been talking about it forever!!! just not in this thread.

but could it be something new?

so let us know when it gets warm enough to check out..

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Miss seeing ya swoope!
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Update:

Ran into a snag with the fuel injectors in the secondary rail. I had 780cc and 380cc stock injectors....and it turned out they were slightly different lengths...so the center 2 injectors were a little shorter than the outside ones. I woke up in the middle of the night last night knowing that I would have ended up with a vac /boost leak if I had left them that way. I couldn't figure out an easy way to modify the injectors I had.......so I ended up going to 4 550cc injectors that were all the correct length..and all is well

Think I averted a potential difficult to diagnose problem

Had to re wire the injector plugs again though...the new one had different plugs

I'm hoping tomorrow will be a more productive day

I did get the rest of the Alky system installed..so all I have left to do on that is to run the feed line from the fuel cell to the manifold..
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^when you get this car buttoned all up, post some pix...I don't think I've ever seen your setup
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Funny I was just talking about that with a local club guy tonight.....I just find it a PIA to take pictures as I work. I guess I'm not the best at "playing well with others"

I am making a point of taking more pictures..and I promise I will do a photo shoot with the car before the summer is out.
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sweet, looking forward to it


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