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Relocation of MAFS on Turbo Applications

Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:31 AM
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Wait the higher the BSFC goes up, the lower the HP drops....

Now I am confused.... BSFC refers to loss of engine eff. due to inertial resistance/ heat lost to engine on exhaust/ heat absorbed on intake right?

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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
If the MAF is mounted pre-boost why would the numbers skew downward in term of h.p.?
Loss of power due to being over rich.

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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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376 HP with a BSFC of .5
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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Yes Charles,

I have been f-ing around and I found BSFC from .35 to .44 on rotaries (via the web, so not real reliable).
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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Cool Most excellent.....

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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:52 AM
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Have fun man!!!

Yes, so lower BSFC mean more HP. At .44 BSFC we have 422 HP!!!
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
BTW, Kane, I sense our prior conversation re: airflow vs. fuelflow is becoming clearer to me. Not to say either is wrong just that I see further applications of each perspective.
LOL, yes one day we will have it out!!!!!
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 12:56 PM
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I know, I was just trying to be funny.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 01:23 PM
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BSFC = fuel lbs/hr.
On a piston motor, its about .5 and on a rotary motor it is about .6 or so.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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No. BSFC and VE are independent.
There is no good median VE, especially on an engine with a wide RPM range and power band.
The Renesis goes from 35% to over 100% in its OE form, so its hard to say it is an average or 67%!
BSFC is a fairly constant number since it only applies at WOT and peak torque.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:23 PM
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You guys want me to do a VE curve as well?
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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This is great stuff here. I'm actually now running into an issue with the MAFS sensor on my turbo install. The ECU is throwing a CEL which is "high voltage MAFS" code. Apparently the MAFS is reporting higher than the 5 volts its supposed to. Is it possible for this MAFS to be overrun at 4-5 psi or lower? Or is it more plausable the MAFS is broken. We had to clean it prior to this because this because the car would not even run. After cleaning it we get this code. Any ideas?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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Thanks Charles. I don't have the specific code number but my installer pulled it with his scantool and it read as high MAFS voltage. The car also goes into limp mode after a certain RPM (around 4k i believe).

I did some research and most say this MAFS should be good up to around 500 hp, but I also found there was a recall/TSB for the MAFS in 04 rx-8s for premature failure.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Replace it...they're cheap....and see if it fixes the problem
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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The MAF should never deliver more than 5v.
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