Fanman

Says this is for boosted applications and increase oil flow 31% during high RPM's, while not affecting normal & idle flow.

http://www.racingbeat.com/FRmazda4.htm

What do you think ?

Broke_Apex_Seal

Racing Beat is BEAT. They always have modest mods. never going to hard for the average public. WEAK.... and a waste of money IMO.

PUR NRG

I don't know much regarding the physics behind it but it doesn't seem to jibe. Required oil is RPM-dependant, not horsepower-dependant right?

epitrochoid

well those that drive the car every day and don't need an ear shattering exhaust, snowplow bodykit, or kidney busting suspension appreciate those wastes of money. they've been in business a long time, and have built a reputation on their products.

rotarygod

They are also ONLY concerned with emissions and inspection legality.

Last I checked they made far more money and were more successful and respected at rotary business than you! It's hard to get BEAT by something that is BROKE!

Fanman

Kind've surprised you are saying this. What is wrong with their products ? For what they make I would put their products up against anyone. If you are looking for an aftermarket exhaust they are awesome, or their air intake design looks among the best out there. Suspension is great. Not sure what you are expecting. If you are expecting more than 3 hp from an exhaust and believe the 12-15 hp gains that some of these other outfits are claiming than you really are getting a snow job. What do you want from them ? They make great products at a great price.

This oil flow metering system sounds like just what we need if we plan to go the FI route. Heat will be the enemy of our seals/engines, and this will increase oil flow during high rpm's (when the most stress is put on the engine).

bureau13

Now, just 'cause they didn't invent the Tornado is no reason to dis their product.

jds

Broke_Apex_Seal

You guys can bust my chops all day and all night long. But that is a big waste of money. All of you and I mean ALL of you donkeys dicks just listen to me for one second. They dont back it up with any real data other then going off there word. No thanx I built these engines for a while now and there is no justification to buy that waste of money. PROVE me wrong with real data and I will EAT MY WORDS. Bring it on sucka's.......................

p.s. And dont repeat their BULLSHIT get it from mazda please........

BAS :D

Red Devil

I would ask what rotary tuner is worth the money? If Racing Beat is not, is it: GReddy, Pettit, HKS, JIC, SR, Amemiya, M2, etc...

My point is, I don't see any of these other companies giving any more or less than Racing Beat. Racing Beat is just much more modest than all the others.

Charles R. Hill

iTrader: (7)

Sometimes a modest improvement is all that is necessary, or even safe, for regular use. That's precisely WHY I like Racing Beat more than most others. I didn't want to spend $1,600 on coil-overs but for much less than that I was still able to achieve my goals. Who else makes the oil cooler screens with such quality? Who else is as honest about their engineering as Racing Beat? They don't claim to be miracle workers, just makers of some fine products that work well when installed properly. Oh, and when was the last time any other company invited us to their facility to get feedback, in person, about the products they are developing? How about their customer service? I have never had a problem and they respond to my e-mails.

On the matter of the OMP, I won't bother but only because I have faith that the factory provided us with a system that is over-engineered(as is done with most engines).

Charles

Broke_Apex_Seal

The MOP system is 10 times better than the 13b-rew system. And on that system it could handle 15psi for 50K plus without any oil related issues. I know this from owning my 3rd gen for a long time. This sytem injects WAY more oil than the the old system I used 1 quart for every 1000 miles(rx-8) and my 3rd gen was 1 quart for every 3000 miles with shitty turbos blowing oil. One thing I am concerned with is the side seal lasting after forced induction I think this is going to be the weak link IMO.

Fanman

I'm listening to you, but what your saying is from limited experience and doesn't mesh with what everybody else has experienced. You are saying they don't back up their products with dynos, but what they have said has been spot on. When they said it's about 3 hp, there have been numerous people on this board that have dynoed their exhausts (RB, Greddy, MS, Borla) that have found this to be true. When they are saying that a midpipe is good for about 7 hp max, or an air intake is good for about 3 hp this has all been true (myself as a guinea pig). What I don't believe is a BS dyno sheet from many of the vendors. Vendors like SR Motorsports (and hell I have their products), Borla, etc. who hype their products with BS dyno sheets that everybody afterwards have widely dispproved. What are you looking for ? Are you looking for 12-18 hp from a cat back like some of the other vendors are claiming, or 8 hp from an intake ? That's all non sense. I would rather a vendor, like RB tell us straight that an air intake will give us 3-4 hp and let us figure if we want to drop $200-$300 rather than another outfit claiming miracle/massive hp gains, we spend the money, dyno it and find out it is BS.

The fact that you are saying that you could run 15 psi reliably without modifications on a 13b, AND not sacrifice reliability makes me question you. I have been around many 13b's that blew at way under that level of tuning, and a big part of it was the apex seals giving out from the heat. It is a known fact that the heat from overboosting the turbos on the 13b would dry out the apex seals, and cause them to crack. That was one of the primary reason for engine failure and part of it was the fact that the oil coolers could not keep up with cooling the engine with even a moderate increase in boost for extended periods of time. I have been in several RX7's on the track (can easily see that the engines were overheating after a few laps even with additional cooling products), I have been at Tri-point Engineering with several blown RX7's because of the very reason I have described. I can't say about the RX8 because nobody has pushed it that far yet, and put the claimed 50K miles on it yet.

I will trust Racing Beat as they have far more resources devoted to the RX7 & RX8 than your "owning my 3rd gen for a long time."

They have run an RX7 to 242 mph
They have tested countless 13b & Renesis on an engine bay
They have an ECU test bench to understand the workings of the RX8 ECU
They have spent 1000's of hours testing/dynoing countless products for our cars

I'm not sure what else they have to show/prove to you. Quite a few of us have their products and love them. Quite a few of us have INDEPENDENTLY backed up what they have stated. I guess at this point we would ask you to prove your assumptions.

Broke_Apex_Seal

Well, I lost intrest in your reply after you said:

" It is a known fact that the heat from overboosting the turbos on the 13b would dry out the apex seals, and cause them to crack."

LOL

Apex seals dont dry up and crack!Detonation cracks apex seals trust me I know I have blown up a few in my time. MOP is design to reduce wear on the housings and now intermediate plates/corner seal plugs if you have seen this engine in parts. MOP is not designed to "soak" the apex seal so it can stay wet.


Now, on to the matter at hand. Any of you guru's know that the more oil injected into the motor the lower your octane will get? So 2 stroke is really the only way to add oil in the system with out lowering the octane. So all you racing beat flunkys can get your crappy MOP mod and waste your money because they said"It works".

I did not want to start a war hear just express what I think about them and that product. I have purchased Racing beat products and will still continue to buy there products but this is BS IMO. If I still have one here!

BAS

Broke_Apex_Seal

I have seen you post your internet bable here but never posted about it because you kept to your self but now I am turning you out!

You post a bunch of general data anyone can get with the internet or picking up a ******* book. You act like you know everything and you should work for mazda when in real life you mid to late 30's have no life and get off on the forum. Dude get with the program people will suck on your ***** from your post but not anyone with a clue or the smarts to figure you out..... look at your screen name it sreams i need attention. Get out of here with your B.S.


BAS

Elara

broke_apex_seal, there is NO need for personal attacks on this forum. You can state your position politely, or not at all. If we see this type of post again, you will receive a three-day ban.