Modified GReddy Turbo Or Pettit Supercharge?
10-30-2009, 12:39 AM
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Are you kidding me? I've sent everything but goddamn smoke signals trying to get a hold of you privately for nearly 3 MONTHS via phone, Facebook, RX8club, and email... not a single one of them you returned or responded to. No I don't want to do this in public, I just want you to for once be the nice guy you are in person not the raging ******* you turn into on the forum.
10-30-2009, 12:43 AM
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I would be an advocate of such a position if I weren't fearful of the general backlash against this platform as a viable outlet for FI in general were the disaster stories of self-tuned to get as out-of-hand as they have for the Speed3 market.
For as many people that bash me about being unresponsive or less than forthcoming in what I perceive as "hand-outs", there do seem to be surprisingly few non-MazdaManiac FI AccessPORT success stories.
I feel I do what I can and I do it as generously as possible.
People can feel free to buy the AccessPORT elsewhere and pay exactly the same price and get no assistance whatsoever or they can pay someone with no track record at all to throw their hands up when an incorrectly installed system brings everything to a grinding halt.
Pieter is in a unique position in that he is local and involved in other projects with me, so his outcomes are mitigated by my own attendant interest in witnessing his success.
Then I want YOU to treat me similarly and not bite the hand that feeds you.
Think about what Steve Kan would have done after NINE HOURS of watching Ray screw around with your installation before I could even begin to do what I took time out of a personal trip to do for you (compensation not withstanding).
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10-30-2009, 12:43 AM
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Honestly I find the tuning side of things really fascinating Brettus... I would love to learn more about it, and start doing some of it myself. The bottom line though is that I'm a software engineer by trade, I'm a noob with cars and I've been doing my best to learn just enough to put simple bolt ons on the car. Even if I dedicated a lot of time to learning how to tune the car myself I would be a poor substitute for someone who has spent years doing it and is damn good at it. That isn't even counting the fact that with my noob skills I would probably come closer to destroying my car than making it "push the boundaries".
10-30-2009, 01:00 AM
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However , after some initial pain I can say in all honesty that had i had to rely on someone else (such as yourself) to tune my car - I would find the process extremely frustrating and probably not bother trying to get any better than the 260 odd hp my initial setup delivered .
10-30-2009, 01:13 AM
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Ultimately, what I am able to do is limited by the quality/competency of the installation.
This is why the stock GReddy kit is appealing to me and why I cringe when a customer starts adding and changing things without a sure understanding of how deeply they are altering their configuration or how they are going to be challenging my abilities or patience.
Nothing is easier to tune than a properly installed GReddy kit with my upgrade and the AEM intake.
Nothing is more difficult to tune than and improperly installed GReddy kit with my upgrade and the AEM intake.
All it takes is one momentary lapse in the attention to detail - one tilted screen or one miswired injector - and I'm hosed.
And its never the installer or owner's fault. Its always on me. "You're the tuner - FIX IT!"
From 2700 miles away.
With my mind.
This is why the stock GReddy kit is appealing to me and why I cringe when a customer starts adding and changing things without a sure understanding of how deeply they are altering their configuration or how they are going to be challenging my abilities or patience.
Nothing is easier to tune than a properly installed GReddy kit with my upgrade and the AEM intake.
Nothing is more difficult to tune than and improperly installed GReddy kit with my upgrade and the AEM intake.
All it takes is one momentary lapse in the attention to detail - one tilted screen or one miswired injector - and I'm hosed.
And its never the installer or owner's fault. Its always on me. "You're the tuner - FIX IT!"
From 2700 miles away.
With my mind.
10-30-2009, 01:26 AM
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Even though you are the biggest pia I've ever not met .
Few people know enough about it to know how good that advice really is ....
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10-30-2009, 10:05 AM
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OK. Fair enough.
Then I want YOU to treat me similarly and not bite the hand that feeds you.
Think about what Steve Kan would have done after NINE HOURS of watching Ray screw around with your installation before I could even begin to do what I took time out of a personal trip to do for you (compensation not withstanding).
Then I want YOU to treat me similarly and not bite the hand that feeds you.
Think about what Steve Kan would have done after NINE HOURS of watching Ray screw around with your installation before I could even begin to do what I took time out of a personal trip to do for you (compensation not withstanding).
I don't blame you for not getting the car running when damn near every piece of the installation was a trainwreck. I don't even mind waiting a significant amount of time as you work through your backlog. I would love to learn more about tuning, but I personally think you are the best in the business. Especially when it comes to a car running every single one of the upgrades you make and sell for a living.
My ONLY contention was that not only have I been patiently waiting for several months, you have not taken the 5 minutes or less to return any of my contacts through half a dozen means of communication. That tells me you are intentionally ignoring me and then telling me you have "current" customers and "welcome to the back of the line" makes me angry. For what its worth you know I hate RX8Club drama and I am more than happy to chat with you about this on the phone, via email etc. You have all of my contact information.
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10-30-2009, 11:09 AM
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Man, you live in Arizona and your asking this question? Seems like a no brainer to me. What could be better than BBQ and BOOST at Jeff's house?
I live in Washington State, and would even be willing to send my car down there for a turbo install and tune, and might just do that next year. I'm boosting in 2010!
I live in Washington State, and would even be willing to send my car down there for a turbo install and tune, and might just do that next year. I'm boosting in 2010!
10-30-2009, 11:54 AM
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As someone who's been through it and coming from a similar background, allow me this point of advice. Who you choose to work on your car is more important than what you choose to put in it. I live in a fairly densely populated area 30 miles west of NYC with probably in excess of 100 shops that would gladly hack and wrench on my car in the area. However, I drive 100 miles for mechanical work and 150 for tuning because there are people there who know what they are doing.
FI kits are just piles of parts. Most of the time, even an experienced aftermarket shop may have worked on only a couple Rx8s. Turbo'ing a honda or a nissan 3.5 is not the same. It's not light years different either, but a knowledge of the specific vehicle helps a lot.
My suggestion would be to nail down a budget, pick an installer/tuner, and discuss directly with them what they have done, what results they have gotten, and a ballpark of the time/budget requirements. Then, you can ship components to the shop (business shipping is often cheaper for large items) and arrange a dropoff/pick-up. If you work with BHR, they've done Pettits and Greddys. If you have a specific whp in mind, they probably know of a car that makes roughly that and can give you an idea of how it runs. I've seen maybe 4/5 Pettits and liked how clean the install looked and they ran strong. I went a different route and have been very happy.
Customer service is a dominant aspect of significant aftermarket work like FI and a good shop should be able to tell you if XYZ component is garbage.
FI kits are just piles of parts. Most of the time, even an experienced aftermarket shop may have worked on only a couple Rx8s. Turbo'ing a honda or a nissan 3.5 is not the same. It's not light years different either, but a knowledge of the specific vehicle helps a lot.
My suggestion would be to nail down a budget, pick an installer/tuner, and discuss directly with them what they have done, what results they have gotten, and a ballpark of the time/budget requirements. Then, you can ship components to the shop (business shipping is often cheaper for large items) and arrange a dropoff/pick-up. If you work with BHR, they've done Pettits and Greddys. If you have a specific whp in mind, they probably know of a car that makes roughly that and can give you an idea of how it runs. I've seen maybe 4/5 Pettits and liked how clean the install looked and they ran strong. I went a different route and have been very happy.
Customer service is a dominant aspect of significant aftermarket work like FI and a good shop should be able to tell you if XYZ component is garbage.
10-30-2009, 01:10 PM
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How much more do you intend to take advantage of my "good guy" side?
I'm sorry that your install was so FUBAR and the tune - what little I could do over those TWO DAYS - was hampered by things not being right on your setup.
But I don't exactly see how that is my problem?
I really do hate to put it that way, but you don't seem to be getting the message.
10-30-2009, 01:19 PM
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as others have mentioned, the Pettit will be difficult to source (new) and you have the BHR crew nearby. Truly a no-brainer.
as others have mentioned, the Pettit will be difficult to source (new) and you have the BHR crew nearby. Truly a no-brainer.
10-30-2009, 01:29 PM
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To Blackenedwings,
I really feel for you man. I've had my share of mishaps from tuning and it's really not fun and it can be very costly. However, in your situation, it does seem like the poor install job was the main culprit. What I don't understand is how your shop can mess up a Greddy kit install.
Aside from a few things that need to be changed (i.e. turbo w/ proper cooling per MM or BNR kit, AccessPort for tuning, and the couplers given that the Greddy couplers even for the Miata turbo kits were always notorious for tearing), how could that shop mess up the install?
I would give MM a break on this matter. Although you might feel a bit angry about this reponse time, he's doing a lot for the advancement of our cars. He's tried to resolve the issue, but the faulty install was deemed the culprit. I remember when I couldn't get the RPM pickup to work for one of my tuning sessions. A little wiring mishap costed me hundreds of dollars that day......that's just the nature of tuning.
Ask the Evo guys too, some get in and out within 4 hours. Some take as long 8 hours. With your improper install, there are soooo many variables that introduced - it would be a nightmare for ANY tuner in the nation.
I've read your old post and build-up logs. You did take every measure to have a safely reliable turbo RX8. It's just the install that was a major drawback. Again, I sympathize with you since it's happened to me as well on numerous occasions.
I really feel for you man. I've had my share of mishaps from tuning and it's really not fun and it can be very costly. However, in your situation, it does seem like the poor install job was the main culprit. What I don't understand is how your shop can mess up a Greddy kit install.
Aside from a few things that need to be changed (i.e. turbo w/ proper cooling per MM or BNR kit, AccessPort for tuning, and the couplers given that the Greddy couplers even for the Miata turbo kits were always notorious for tearing), how could that shop mess up the install?
I would give MM a break on this matter. Although you might feel a bit angry about this reponse time, he's doing a lot for the advancement of our cars. He's tried to resolve the issue, but the faulty install was deemed the culprit. I remember when I couldn't get the RPM pickup to work for one of my tuning sessions. A little wiring mishap costed me hundreds of dollars that day......that's just the nature of tuning.
Ask the Evo guys too, some get in and out within 4 hours. Some take as long 8 hours. With your improper install, there are soooo many variables that introduced - it would be a nightmare for ANY tuner in the nation.
I've read your old post and build-up logs. You did take every measure to have a safely reliable turbo RX8. It's just the install that was a major drawback. Again, I sympathize with you since it's happened to me as well on numerous occasions.
10-30-2009, 01:48 PM
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10-30-2009, 02:10 PM
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A, with all due respect - patiently waiting for what? More free tuning? Seriously.
How much more do you intend to take advantage of my "good guy" side?
I'm sorry that your install was so FUBAR and the tune - what little I could do over those TWO DAYS - was hampered by things not being right on your setup.
But I don't exactly see how that is my problem?
I really do hate to put it that way, but you don't seem to be getting the message.
How much more do you intend to take advantage of my "good guy" side?
I'm sorry that your install was so FUBAR and the tune - what little I could do over those TWO DAYS - was hampered by things not being right on your setup.
But I don't exactly see how that is my problem?
I really do hate to put it that way, but you don't seem to be getting the message.
I have not ever even a little bit, implied that you were somehow at fault for my car being jacked up on the dyno. I don't want to take advantage of you or your "good guy" side. I have not EVER asked for anything free or discounted from you EVER. You didn't even give me an estimate to tune the car and I paid you all the money I had for it despite the fact that I wasn't getting a working car out of it because of other issues.
What I have been patiently waiting for is the tune that YOU PERSONALLY said you would be updating for me. If you think that is somehow unfair or that I am "taking advantage of you" I think you need to get your head checked. I have paid you immediately for every product and service that I have ever bought from you. If you think I'm being unfair when I complain after having 0 communication from you for 3 months after you told me you would update the tune when you got back to AZ that is your problem not mine.
I honestly have no idea what is going on in your head dude, but I'm done posting here. If you want to work this out you can return one of my phone calls. You know the number. I am just completely floored that you are acting this way.
10-30-2009, 04:22 PM
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I don't know how to make it any more clear to you.
The "nice guy" part of me waited as long as I could, hoping you would get the point. The "*******" part of me is now explaining it to you.
I have PAYING CUSTOMERS that are waiting for their stuff.
When I can get to you, I will get to you.
But to make DEMANDS of me at this point is both rapacious and repugnant.
And I meant that offer. Don't you think its in bad taste to pester me and then publicly attack me for my heel-dragging on a favor?
So, which part of the 133% extension to your Calibration Service did you pay for?
The "nice guy" part of me waited as long as I could, hoping you would get the point. The "*******" part of me is now explaining it to you.
I have PAYING CUSTOMERS that are waiting for their stuff.
When I can get to you, I will get to you.
But to make DEMANDS of me at this point is both rapacious and repugnant.
So, which part of the 133% extension to your Calibration Service did you pay for?
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10-30-2009, 04:35 PM
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I don't know how to make it any more clear to you.
The "nice guy" part of me waited as long as I could, hoping you would get the point. The "*******" part of me is now explaining it to you.
I have PAYING CUSTOMERS that are waiting for their stuff.
When I can get to you, I will get to you.
But to make DEMANDS of me at this point is both rapacious and repugnant.
And I meant that offer. Don't you think its in bad taste to pester me and then publicly attack me for my heel-dragging on a favor?
So, which part of the 133% extension to your Calibration Service did you pay for?
The "nice guy" part of me waited as long as I could, hoping you would get the point. The "*******" part of me is now explaining it to you.
I have PAYING CUSTOMERS that are waiting for their stuff.
When I can get to you, I will get to you.
But to make DEMANDS of me at this point is both rapacious and repugnant.
And I meant that offer. Don't you think its in bad taste to pester me and then publicly attack me for my heel-dragging on a favor?
So, which part of the 133% extension to your Calibration Service did you pay for?
Beyond that, what I was upset about was not even the length of time it was taking you to get me an update to the tune, but the fact that you flat out refused to contact me or even let me know what the status was despite leaving multiple messages. If you had even once taken the 60 seconds it would have taken to respond to me via a text or message saying "Hey I'm swamped but I haven't forgotten you." this would be a non-issue. I know you are busy and I know your tunes take a while, but to treat me as if I'm trying to drag a bunch of free **** out of you is incredibly offensive.
I honestly want to know if this behavior is condoned and accepted by BHR, because this is completely ridiculous. Is this how I can expect to be treated as a customer? I have stood up for you Jeff in a lot of places both online and in person because I think the quality of your work is worth it. I have convinced other people on this forum that purchasing products from you was worthwhile because despite the delays in service and the harsh attitude online the end result was going to be worth it. I'm finding myself eating my own words.
10-30-2009, 04:50 PM
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The 133% extension of the Calibration Service that I have thus far received 2 tunes over the course of the entire time I have ever had the service despite being one of the few people who actually sent the information in correctly. Your service was for 5 tunes and 6 months right? It took months to get even a base FI map from you that required no tuning whatsoever. If it takes you 2-3 MONTHS to give people tunes your 6 month time limit is pretty ridiculous and you should consider changing your advertising.
Beyond that, what I was upset about was not even the length of time it was taking you to get me an update to the tune, but the fact that you flat out refused to contact me or even let me know what the status was despite leaving multiple messages. If you had even once taken the 60 seconds it would have taken to respond to me via a text or message saying "Hey I'm swamped but I haven't forgotten you." this would be a non-issue. I know you are busy and I know your tunes take a while, but to treat me as if I'm trying to drag a bunch of free **** out of you is incredibly offensive.
I honestly want to know if this behavior is condoned and accepted by BHR, because this is completely ridiculous. Is this how I can expect to be treated as a customer? I have stood up for you Jeff in a lot of places both online and in person because I think the quality of your work is worth it. I have convinced other people on this forum that purchasing products from you was worthwhile because despite the delays in service and the harsh attitude online the end result was going to be worth it. I'm finding myself eating my own words.
Beyond that, what I was upset about was not even the length of time it was taking you to get me an update to the tune, but the fact that you flat out refused to contact me or even let me know what the status was despite leaving multiple messages. If you had even once taken the 60 seconds it would have taken to respond to me via a text or message saying "Hey I'm swamped but I haven't forgotten you." this would be a non-issue. I know you are busy and I know your tunes take a while, but to treat me as if I'm trying to drag a bunch of free **** out of you is incredibly offensive.
I honestly want to know if this behavior is condoned and accepted by BHR, because this is completely ridiculous. Is this how I can expect to be treated as a customer? I have stood up for you Jeff in a lot of places both online and in person because I think the quality of your work is worth it. I have convinced other people on this forum that purchasing products from you was worthwhile because despite the delays in service and the harsh attitude online the end result was going to be worth it. I'm finding myself eating my own words.
This thead is gonna end up closed..
10-30-2009, 05:05 PM
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That said, the Custom Calibration Service is subject to the rules set forth in the agreement. How much bending should be expected?
If you want to be treated as a good customer, maybe you should consider becoming a customer.
Do you honestly believe that if you purchase a service, you are entitled to it for life just because we are "good guys"?
I have stood up for you Jeff in a lot of places both online and in person because I think the quality of your work is worth it. I have convinced other people on this forum that purchasing products from you was worthwhile because despite the delays in service and the harsh attitude online the end result was going to be worth it. I'm finding myself eating my own words.
I had a significantly longer response here, but I will withhold it.
You wanted a courtesy and I extended it to you and now you want to publicly molest me over it.
Fine. Feel free. I'm sure you will be very persuasive and I will respond in a timely fashion. Good luck.
As I asked you earlier, if you want to continue this on the forum, please create a new thread. I don't think this is what Pieter was hoping his thread to become, but it isn't my place to create a thread for you to rant in. That is your job.
