Mazsport Turbo Kit Type 2
08-09-2007, 12:01 PM
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How is it apples to oranges?
Both are really expensive.
You say one is complete yet leaves you with a CEL and no warranty.
Im not arguing the kit is complete, but is it $8-10k complete? Do you actually think this kit is more complete than the Full-Race kit (who makes pretty damn good manifolds) that average for $5k?
Both are really expensive.
You say one is complete yet leaves you with a CEL and no warranty.
Im not arguing the kit is complete, but is it $8-10k complete? Do you actually think this kit is more complete than the Full-Race kit (who makes pretty damn good manifolds) that average for $5k?
08-09-2007, 04:33 PM
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wow,
you missed a sticky and all.... you must put a bit of effort into it... the info is there...
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/dyno-comparison-rx-8-turbo-supercharger-etc-115447/
btw, great job on that thread jason....
the big #s will not come until more powerful coils come..
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you missed a sticky and all.... you must put a bit of effort into it... the info is there...
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/dyno-comparison-rx-8-turbo-supercharger-etc-115447/
btw, great job on that thread jason....
the big #s will not come until more powerful coils come..
beers
08-09-2007, 04:38 PM
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as i have posted before....if you say your going to post numbers, POST EM! i dont need everyone in here making excuses saying that there busy as hell....were all busy. if i tell my clients im going to do something, i do it...so should they. this thread is way old and still no dyno for the really expensive type 2 kit. im not even asking for the dyno just an update.
and im not gonna stop in or call the shop........... since they posted it here this is where it should be.
rick
and im not gonna stop in or call the shop........... since they posted it here this is where it should be.
rick
08-09-2007, 05:26 PM
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How is it apples to oranges?
Both are really expensive.
You say one is complete yet leaves you with a CEL and no warranty.
Im not arguing the kit is complete, but is it $8-10k complete? Do you actually think this kit is more complete than the Full-Race kit (who makes pretty damn good manifolds) that average for $5k?
Both are really expensive.
You say one is complete yet leaves you with a CEL and no warranty.
Im not arguing the kit is complete, but is it $8-10k complete? Do you actually think this kit is more complete than the Full-Race kit (who makes pretty damn good manifolds) that average for $5k?
08-09-2007, 06:17 PM
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Rant begins:
If you're decision to purchase a kit is based solely on dyno numbers then you probably aren't serious about buying one anyways. Therefore there's not much point in posting them as they need to prove nothing to you and there's no loss in not doing so. Typically if someone is that critical about getting a dyno chart, they'll probably only bitch about the results anways, regardless of how high they are. Once a critic, always a critic.
Here's all the relevant info you need to know about the Mazsport kit. It gives you enough fuel to support more power than the engine can handle. It gives you a turbo larger than what the engine can probably ultimately handle. It's got enough intercooling to be sufficient for any power level the engine can probably handle. It's got a fully programmable ecu that allows you to control all relevant parameters of tuning and has the ability to control power levels above what the engine can handle. Scott has hands down the best customer service and after the sale support of anyone else. Period.
Now saying all of that, what's the point of absolutely needing to have a dyno chart posted? Is there a certain number that you want to see just to feel all warm and fuzzy inside? If it doesn't hit 400 rwhp does that mean that another turbo kit out there MUST be better? If you have 3 kits out there and all of them have the equipment necessary to break the engine at high boost levels, what really makes one better than the other? The Mazsport system is probably the prettiest one around but looks aren't everything when all you are concerned about is performance. Of course a good looking system looks like it should cost more than another system too. The tech support you get from Mazsport is worth quite a bit in my opinion.
Now if this answer isn't good enough to rid the need of seeign a dyno chart to make a decision (any person with even half of a brain should think it is), kindly sell the car to someone who deserves it, go buy a used Civic and then install an $800 turbo kit on it that came off of eBay. Of course it isn't complete, will fail in short order, wasn't designed to be used with the a/c still installed, has no engine management other than a new fuel pressure regulator, and no tech support but hey, it would be faster and it would be cheap! That's what really counts right? If that's not to your liking either, go buy some over rated Bavarian built blingmobile and pay Dinan's prices just so you have their name on your cheaply engineered parts.
Rant over.
If you're decision to purchase a kit is based solely on dyno numbers then you probably aren't serious about buying one anyways. Therefore there's not much point in posting them as they need to prove nothing to you and there's no loss in not doing so. Typically if someone is that critical about getting a dyno chart, they'll probably only bitch about the results anways, regardless of how high they are. Once a critic, always a critic.
Here's all the relevant info you need to know about the Mazsport kit. It gives you enough fuel to support more power than the engine can handle. It gives you a turbo larger than what the engine can probably ultimately handle. It's got enough intercooling to be sufficient for any power level the engine can probably handle. It's got a fully programmable ecu that allows you to control all relevant parameters of tuning and has the ability to control power levels above what the engine can handle. Scott has hands down the best customer service and after the sale support of anyone else. Period.
Now saying all of that, what's the point of absolutely needing to have a dyno chart posted? Is there a certain number that you want to see just to feel all warm and fuzzy inside? If it doesn't hit 400 rwhp does that mean that another turbo kit out there MUST be better? If you have 3 kits out there and all of them have the equipment necessary to break the engine at high boost levels, what really makes one better than the other? The Mazsport system is probably the prettiest one around but looks aren't everything when all you are concerned about is performance. Of course a good looking system looks like it should cost more than another system too. The tech support you get from Mazsport is worth quite a bit in my opinion.
Now if this answer isn't good enough to rid the need of seeign a dyno chart to make a decision (any person with even half of a brain should think it is), kindly sell the car to someone who deserves it, go buy a used Civic and then install an $800 turbo kit on it that came off of eBay. Of course it isn't complete, will fail in short order, wasn't designed to be used with the a/c still installed, has no engine management other than a new fuel pressure regulator, and no tech support but hey, it would be faster and it would be cheap! That's what really counts right? If that's not to your liking either, go buy some over rated Bavarian built blingmobile and pay Dinan's prices just so you have their name on your cheaply engineered parts.
Rant over.
08-09-2007, 07:57 PM
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to be honest rg... it isnt enough of a rant... when people like him post with no intent, no clear understanding of what he is looking at... and well doesnt know scott very well... they fail at posting anything that is usefull to the thread, the board, and other readers...
08-09-2007, 08:21 PM
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Your right it isnt a rant at all.
Not know what Im looking at? The kit appears to be a nice kit, from what I have read Mazsport puts down great numbers and are really highly recommended on this board.
I am looking at it from a logical standing of R&D, cost of materials, and what the kit is itself. I am not bashing the quality of the kit by all means. I does feature very nice, and high quality components.
I am looking at it from a pricing standpoint...
Not know what Im looking at? The kit appears to be a nice kit, from what I have read Mazsport puts down great numbers and are really highly recommended on this board.
I am looking at it from a logical standing of R&D, cost of materials, and what the kit is itself. I am not bashing the quality of the kit by all means. I does feature very nice, and high quality components.
I am looking at it from a pricing standpoint...
to be honest rg... it isnt enough of a rant... when people like him post with no intent, no clear understanding of what he is looking at... and well doesnt know scott very well... they fail at posting anything that is usefull to the thread, the board, and other readers...
08-09-2007, 08:24 PM
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Very good points.
Dont get me wrong, I love my RX8 aside from its downfalls that annoy me on a daily basis.
Sorry, I wouldnt want a M3 for the name, they are a blast to drive, and unlike a Mazda dealer you dont have to explain yourself and whats going on, they just take care of it.
As for cheap materials, I think all manufactures these days have gotten on the "cheap material" bandwagon no matter who it is.
Dinan being cheap? Sorry, I have riden in a Dinan supercharged E46 putting down somewhere in the ballpark of 435whp. Car didnt feel cheap...
Dont get me wrong, I love my RX8 aside from its downfalls that annoy me on a daily basis.
Sorry, I wouldnt want a M3 for the name, they are a blast to drive, and unlike a Mazda dealer you dont have to explain yourself and whats going on, they just take care of it.
As for cheap materials, I think all manufactures these days have gotten on the "cheap material" bandwagon no matter who it is.
Dinan being cheap? Sorry, I have riden in a Dinan supercharged E46 putting down somewhere in the ballpark of 435whp. Car didnt feel cheap...
Rant begins:
If you're decision to purchase a kit is based solely on dyno numbers then you probably aren't serious about buying one anyways. Therefore there's not much point in posting them as they need to prove nothing to you and there's no loss in not doing so. Typically if someone is that critical about getting a dyno chart, they'll probably only bitch about the results anways, regardless of how high they are. Once a critic, always a critic.
Here's all the relevant info you need to know about the Mazsport kit. It gives you enough fuel to support more power than the engine can handle. It gives you a turbo larger than what the engine can probably ultimately handle. It's got enough intercooling to be sufficient for any power level the engine can probably handle. It's got a fully programmable ecu that allows you to control all relevant parameters of tuning and has the ability to control power levels above what the engine can handle. Scott has hands down the best customer service and after the sale support of anyone else. Period.
Now saying all of that, what's the point of absolutely needing to have a dyno chart posted? Is there a certain number that you want to see just to feel all warm and fuzzy inside? If it doesn't hit 400 rwhp does that mean that another turbo kit out there MUST be better? If you have 3 kits out there and all of them have the equipment necessary to break the engine at high boost levels, what really makes one better than the other? The Mazsport system is probably the prettiest one around but looks aren't everything when all you are concerned about is performance. Of course a good looking system looks like it should cost more than another system too. The tech support you get from Mazsport is worth quite a bit in my opinion.
Now if this answer isn't good enough to rid the need of seeign a dyno chart to make a decision (any person with even half of a brain should think it is), kindly sell the car to someone who deserves it, go buy a used Civic and then install an $800 turbo kit on it that came off of eBay. Of course it isn't complete, will fail in short order, wasn't designed to be used with the a/c still installed, has no engine management other than a new fuel pressure regulator, and no tech support but hey, it would be faster and it would be cheap! That's what really counts right? If that's not to your liking either, go buy some over rated Bavarian built blingmobile and pay Dinan's prices just so you have their name on your cheaply engineered parts.
Rant over.
If you're decision to purchase a kit is based solely on dyno numbers then you probably aren't serious about buying one anyways. Therefore there's not much point in posting them as they need to prove nothing to you and there's no loss in not doing so. Typically if someone is that critical about getting a dyno chart, they'll probably only bitch about the results anways, regardless of how high they are. Once a critic, always a critic.
Here's all the relevant info you need to know about the Mazsport kit. It gives you enough fuel to support more power than the engine can handle. It gives you a turbo larger than what the engine can probably ultimately handle. It's got enough intercooling to be sufficient for any power level the engine can probably handle. It's got a fully programmable ecu that allows you to control all relevant parameters of tuning and has the ability to control power levels above what the engine can handle. Scott has hands down the best customer service and after the sale support of anyone else. Period.
Now saying all of that, what's the point of absolutely needing to have a dyno chart posted? Is there a certain number that you want to see just to feel all warm and fuzzy inside? If it doesn't hit 400 rwhp does that mean that another turbo kit out there MUST be better? If you have 3 kits out there and all of them have the equipment necessary to break the engine at high boost levels, what really makes one better than the other? The Mazsport system is probably the prettiest one around but looks aren't everything when all you are concerned about is performance. Of course a good looking system looks like it should cost more than another system too. The tech support you get from Mazsport is worth quite a bit in my opinion.
Now if this answer isn't good enough to rid the need of seeign a dyno chart to make a decision (any person with even half of a brain should think it is), kindly sell the car to someone who deserves it, go buy a used Civic and then install an $800 turbo kit on it that came off of eBay. Of course it isn't complete, will fail in short order, wasn't designed to be used with the a/c still installed, has no engine management other than a new fuel pressure regulator, and no tech support but hey, it would be faster and it would be cheap! That's what really counts right? If that's not to your liking either, go buy some over rated Bavarian built blingmobile and pay Dinan's prices just so you have their name on your cheaply engineered parts.
Rant over.
08-10-2007, 12:00 AM
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"Dinan being cheap? Sorry, I have riden in a Dinan supercharged E46 putting down somewhere in the ballpark of 435whp. Car didnt feel cheap..."
Dinan only tunes BMW and mini. There is nothing cheap about a BMW, i should know that. I work on those cars everyday!
08-10-2007, 10:03 AM
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yes my descision is based soley on dyno numbers.....and price.......i dont even know anyone who owns a rx8 let alone a turbo rx8. no one is standing over my shoulder teaching me about rotaries. so numbers is what i rely on to make a good purchase.
yes the kit will probobly put down more power than the engine can handle......im waiting on the type 2 kit because i want the best kit with the most power. so you might be able to see why i would like a dyno just to make sure i dont spend 10k on a kit that will make the same power as a 7k kit.
i dont care how good of friends you guys are with mazsport im sure there a great bunch of people. but im relying......and waiting "which is killing me" for these numbers so i wont make a descision i regret.
just because you know mostly everything about the 8. dont forget that some of us are not on the same page.
rick
yes the kit will probobly put down more power than the engine can handle......im waiting on the type 2 kit because i want the best kit with the most power. so you might be able to see why i would like a dyno just to make sure i dont spend 10k on a kit that will make the same power as a 7k kit.
i dont care how good of friends you guys are with mazsport im sure there a great bunch of people. but im relying......and waiting "which is killing me" for these numbers so i wont make a descision i regret.
just because you know mostly everything about the 8. dont forget that some of us are not on the same page.
rick
08-10-2007, 10:19 AM
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Power!!
Check out a sticky at the top of the Major Horespower Upgrades section by mysql101. It's called dyno comparison for the RX-8 Turbo, SC.
Theres a ton of information if you search but it's too much for any of us to try and spoon feed to you the implications of all the different turbo and supercharger combos out there. Some make more power than others and some have different problems and some cost less to start with but you'll need to buy other components to get the most out of it etc. etc.
That should be enough to tell you what kit you want...
Theres a ton of information if you search but it's too much for any of us to try and spoon feed to you the implications of all the different turbo and supercharger combos out there. Some make more power than others and some have different problems and some cost less to start with but you'll need to buy other components to get the most out of it etc. etc.
That should be enough to tell you what kit you want...
08-10-2007, 12:39 PM
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Not to stir the soup but when we first developed out turbo system, we were basically lynched for not posting the dyno numbers.I have a hard time understanding why one company(SFR) gets bashed beyond belief for not posting numbers and another company gets patted on the back. Just an observation.
08-10-2007, 01:22 PM
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Finally Boosted!!!!!!!
Everybody pretty much knows what the dyno results for the Mazsport, SFR, and PTP turbo kits are because it's not the kit that is holding the results back. It's the ignition system. Currently, all three of the kits will top out at about the same hp because the ignition system can't keep up. IMHO, at this point, dynos are pretty much worthless because they won't show what any one of these kits are truely capable of.
08-10-2007, 01:32 PM
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Everybody pretty much knows what the dyno results for the Mazsport, SFR, and PTP turbo kits are because it's not the kit that is holding the results back. It's the ignition system. Currently, all three of the kits will top out at about the same hp because the ignition system can't keep up. IMHO, at this point, dynos are pretty much worthless because they won't show what any one of these kits are truely capable of.
08-10-2007, 01:50 PM
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Finally Boosted!!!!!!!
08-10-2007, 02:18 PM
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Power!!
08-10-2007, 04:56 PM
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Tailgaters beware
Check out a sticky at the top of the Major Horespower Upgrades section by mysql101. It's called dyno comparison for the RX-8 Turbo, SC.
Theres a ton of information if you search but it's too much for any of us to try and spoon feed to you the implications of all the different turbo and supercharger combos out there. Some make more power than others and some have different problems and some cost less to start with but you'll need to buy other components to get the most out of it etc. etc.
That should be enough to tell you what kit you want...
Theres a ton of information if you search but it's too much for any of us to try and spoon feed to you the implications of all the different turbo and supercharger combos out there. Some make more power than others and some have different problems and some cost less to start with but you'll need to buy other components to get the most out of it etc. etc.
That should be enough to tell you what kit you want...
I just believe they think they are the only guys in the area that do anything with Rotarys so they tend to charge rectally painful prices. Not very nice to fellow Rotary lovers.
By the way I think this was kinda funny---> "I dont care how good of friends you guys are with mazsport im sure there a great bunch of people. but im relying......and waiting "which is killing me" for these numbers so i wont make a descision i regret."
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08-10-2007, 05:48 PM
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I was going to buy the GReddy kit, dump the T618Z mitsubishi turbo, and upgrade to a GT2871R, and do a few other upgrades. But I'm shooting for over 330-rwhp, so that means fuel injectors, pump, upgraded FMIC, new couplers, hoses, etc. The point being it gets expensive, real quick.
And then I factor in the MazSport Type-1 kit, without the Int-X (buying an EMU), and the much higher qualitly MazSport kit will only cost me around $1000 more or less- it's almost negligable. I get better parts, MUCH better service, and it's complete. Not to mention it's freaking beautiful, and if I have a problem, I know Scott will be there.
All that being said, I still might make my own custom setup, but the MazSport Type-3 is tugging on my heart strings.
And then I factor in the MazSport Type-1 kit, without the Int-X (buying an EMU), and the much higher qualitly MazSport kit will only cost me around $1000 more or less- it's almost negligable. I get better parts, MUCH better service, and it's complete. Not to mention it's freaking beautiful, and if I have a problem, I know Scott will be there.
All that being said, I still might make my own custom setup, but the MazSport Type-3 is tugging on my heart strings.
08-10-2007, 06:25 PM
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chickenwafer.... you should go with the mazsport kit... when you see it in person you will understand... plus you get all the other products that help your car run the way it should... its complete and i am sure its what you are looking for
08-10-2007, 11:09 PM
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Honestly if someone wants to express their opinion of something that is against yours why must you insist on being a smart ***?
Im pretty sure you can see what the kit includes on the internet, a good weld is a good weld, stainless looks like stainless, etc.
Sorry, I know you love your RX8, but your acting a bit ridiculous in regards to the vehicle and this turbo kit. BMW cheap? Im sorry, but BMW has a great reputation for vehicles that drive and perform great.
Yet you are entitled to your opinion. I wonder how its affecting Mazsport on production and dyno sheets when your swinging from their nuts 24/7?
Im pretty sure you can see what the kit includes on the internet, a good weld is a good weld, stainless looks like stainless, etc.
Sorry, I know you love your RX8, but your acting a bit ridiculous in regards to the vehicle and this turbo kit. BMW cheap? Im sorry, but BMW has a great reputation for vehicles that drive and perform great.
Yet you are entitled to your opinion. I wonder how its affecting Mazsport on production and dyno sheets when your swinging from their nuts 24/7?
08-11-2007, 01:00 AM
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If we look at the Dyno we can see that the SFR kit is cheaper and is pretty damn close to the over priced Mazsport kit(s)($8500-10k) (SFR You can get as cheap as $5499 if you dont use their EMU). We can also come to the conclusion that you might be better off buying the Greddy half priced kit and modifying it as you go, while selling some of the old parts, like upgrading the turbo and selling the stock one and in the end you will end up spending less than you would on the Mazsport kit once again.
I just believe they think they are the only guys in the area that do anything with Rotarys so they tend to charge rectally painful prices. Not very nice to fellow Rotary lovers.
By the way I think this was kinda funny---> "I dont care how good of friends you guys are with mazsport im sure there a great bunch of people. but im relying......and waiting "which is killing me" for these numbers so i wont make a descision i regret."
I just believe they think they are the only guys in the area that do anything with Rotarys so they tend to charge rectally painful prices. Not very nice to fellow Rotary lovers.
By the way I think this was kinda funny---> "I dont care how good of friends you guys are with mazsport im sure there a great bunch of people. but im relying......and waiting "which is killing me" for these numbers so i wont make a descision i regret."
+ emu 1500
+ injectors 600
+ fuel pump 600
8199 so the stage 2 looks good now..
plus the fact that the kit will got together as it should... and all the little extras like engine mounts that i did not mention in the above price...
you are comparing apples to oranges, a lot of this lately...
i would take a close look at what each kit comes with before you compare...
really it is good that you are trying to research first, but you need to go much deeper than you are now...
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beers
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