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TeamRX8 10-26-2010 04:44 PM

A pressure measurement is just a reference point. It doesn't mean much by itself.

Brettus 10-26-2010 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 3762721)
A pressure measurement is just a reference point. It doesn't mean much by itself.

When comparing like with like it definately means something .
This being apples and oranges means a whole lot less - but does raise some very interesting questions about what is going on .

For instance : does this setup have more overlap thap previous PP rotaries ?

MazdaManiac 10-26-2010 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 3762721)
A pressure measurement is just a reference point. It doesn't mean much by itself.

True, but it is not "by itself" in this context.
We know the turbo, we have some basic info about the engine, we know the power output and we know the manifold pressure.
We can deduce a bit about total throughput, though we don't have the actual flow numbers or the resultant lambda.

TeamRX8 10-26-2010 06:29 PM

We don't know enough to deduce the overall efficiency short of guessing, which was my only intended point ...

please don't make me school you WRT the relativity of dyno comparisons :nono:

MazdaManiac 10-27-2010 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 3762832)
We don't know enough to deduce the overall efficiency short of guessing, which was my only intended point ...

Well, no - we actually do. That was my point.

TeamRX8 10-27-2010 06:41 AM

save the bs for the fanboi society meeting :)

MazdaManiac 10-27-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 3763196)
save the bs for the fanboi society meeting :)

lol

They gave us the turbo (Turbonetics T4), the relative manifold pressure (14 PSI) and the specific power output (290 HP).
You can even nail down which of the turbo trims are possible from that information and the approximate airflow.

Brettus 10-27-2010 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3763514)
lol

and the approximate airflow.

From what they have told us I would imagine the airflow will be significantly higher than a Renesis producing the same power . Maybe around 400g/s ...ish .

csl 10-31-2010 05:42 PM

I love the rotor :worship:

Mazdatrix 11-10-2010 11:12 AM

Back on the dyno last night with some changes in the setup. We switched from a Racing Beat race/sport exhaust to a racing beat straight through muffler (FYI we have to run a cat per the Redline Time Attack rules) and installed an aluminum intake with a larger throttle body.

New peak numbers are at 361 HP with 257 ft.lbs, at 14 pounds of boost and 14 degrees of timing. We might have gone for more but are now at the limit of our fuel pump and injectors, so we will have to upgrade those before going for bigger numbers.

The car will be on track this weekend at the Redline Time Attack finale at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana.

FazdaRX_8 11-10-2010 11:29 AM

Nice. Hope you get some good times

MazdaManiac 11-10-2010 11:54 AM

Now we're talkin'!

Brettus 11-10-2010 12:17 PM

that's a huge improvement over the last dyno although torque seems a little low still - what was done ?

MazdaManiac 11-10-2010 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3779606)
that's a huge improvement over the last dyno although torque seems a little low still - what was done ?

The bigger turbo is gonna swap some torque for hp.

Brettus 11-10-2010 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3779615)
The bigger turbo is gonna swap some torque for hp.

the overlap may be responsible for some of that as well perhaps ?

MazdaManiac 11-10-2010 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3779619)
the overlap may be responsible for some of that as well perhaps ?

Dunno. In positive pressure, the overlap shouldn't be much consequence, especially with that much flow available.

swoope 11-10-2010 11:33 PM

huge douche question, but what happened to the procharger?


wondering.

btw, please make something for sale.

beers :beer:

MazdaManiac 11-11-2010 01:47 AM


Originally Posted by swoope (Post 3780417)
huge douche question, but what happened to the procharger?

Uh, they dumped it and when with a turbo.

I think the reasoning in that is pretty obvious at this point.

stinksause 11-11-2010 02:32 AM

very intriguing ..... I am vehemently tuned in ... pun intended

bhop 11-11-2010 03:26 AM

Seems to be coming along well...

Nemesis8 11-11-2010 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Mazdatrix (Post 3779460)
(FYI we have to run a cat per the Redline Time Attack rules)

Which CAT is this? Inquiring minds want to know.

pdxhak 11-11-2010 09:17 AM

^+1

chiketkd 11-11-2010 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mazdatrix (Post 3779460)
New peak numbers are at 361 HP with 257 ft.lbs, at 14 degrees of boost and 14 degrees of timing. We might have gone for more but are now at the limit of our fuel pump and injectors, so we will have to upgrade those before going for bigger numbers.

The car will be on track this weekend at the Redline Time Attack finale at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana.

Congrats on the new numbers. If you take some video at this weekend's event, please post!!!

TeamRX8 11-11-2010 11:13 AM

HJS GT-1407 would be an optimal choice

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...0&d=1289268575

Brettus 11-11-2010 01:42 PM

/\ the cat king has spoken


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