What kit do you have on your car Paulmasoner? By your mythology you should run less power and still take an Esmeril car right? Being around many Rx7 cars, shops, meets in NY this is the only currently for sale kit that gets any creed from the guys in that following.

I have seen you talking crap on thread like this earlier regarding esmeril kit. If you have never driven a car with this turbo kit, you obviously don't know how it drives. Your opinon is very empty to say the least.

I've installed one; tuned it and upgraded the turbo; so I can say - with the out of the box turbo at 9 PSI; the lag is pretty bad, and I think that is what Paul is talking about.

With a better turbo - I expect this to be solved; in which case this kit will be pretty bad ass; for example

Factory Turbo at 1PSI and 7ms duration; AFR= 11.5
New Turbo at 1 PSI and 7ms duration; AFR = 14.1!!!!!!!!

Calculate that airflow difference!

I will be building the new maps this weekend.

Is this is with the BNR rework turbo? That is a big different. Right now my plan is to keep the stock turbo as it is fine with me the way the car drive. But eventually I will either be looking at the Precision turbo that Esmeril offered or the BNR upgrade once it time to replace the stock turbo. BNR upgrade is pretty new and I would like to see over time how other people turbo with this upgrade would hold up. Thanks for the data Kane.

Yeah BNR; I am not normally a fanboi - but in this case; I'll call myself that... HAHA

Bryan is a turbo genius.... I wish I could do what that fool does.

Thanks Kane for the information. I will keep this in mind as one of the option when it time for me to replace the stock turbo.

Personally i was thinking of upgrading to a-specs gt3574r turbo. any thoughts on this one guys? Seems to be a big hit wiht the FD guys and its also what sean suggested to me. I do like what i hear about it.

What is the new turbo you have installed? I can't help but think a lot of the lag associated with this kit would be from the exhaust manifold. Not only are 2 of the three pipes intersection at a " T ", but you might as well have an on-center( lag city) turbo with the way the entrance is to the turbo flange.

Now this manifold looks nice!

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-specific-performance-mods-97/my-new-install-project-176409/ :boink:

so will the sohn adapter work with this turbo kit?

Upgrade to this http://store.forcedperformance.net/m..._Code=Turbo-FP

:SHOCKED:

so from what i have researched (hopefully enough), considering there isnt much mechanical differences between the 04-08's and the 09-10's, will this kit fit on the r3 or any of the "2nd gen" rx8's

even if it does fit the ecu is different so you wouldn't have a way to tune it

The engine bay layout is a bit different too isn't it? The oil system in general is different, with a much higher pressure and more convenient filter location in the '09.

So you couldnt use an aftermarket ECU or modified version of the COBB Accessport(even though its only for 04-08)? :scratchhe Is it really that much different?

Call or Email Microtech (They made the system the intereptor is based from).
Or PM Chris

I have you beat!

http://www.turblown.net/store/index.php?productID=81

The only setup I have seen with a half way decent manifold.

http://www.turblown.net/store/produc...-8_500-375.jpg

heh, over a month later i finally saw this. i hope you have both done your homework since those statements.

-the only kit that gets any creed from some guys... stay away from those guys, they obviously are very close minded, fanboi's, or havent a clue
-no i havent driven an Esmiril car, I also havent driven a 5.0 mustang with a Greddy TD05-18G turbo, but i'll bet i know how well that drives lol.
-yeah i have talked a lot of crap about this, and for good reason. community pressure has thankfully forced many good changes in this kit. initially it was nearly totally worthless. now it is a much more viable kit even with a turbo that doesnt belong on a street RX-8. the smack is for a reason, without that kind of feedback, you might still have chinese turbo's, wastegates dragging the ground etc

this is my favorite... yes.

now none of us are in a position to line up two cars aptly prepped and track them to compare outcomes.... but consider this: get a clue and remember the supras...? 1000whp and 600whp supras doing what at the drag strip... that's right the same damn times.
Moral: big numbers dont mean shit, useful numbers are what matters. the size of turbo's i have talked shit about(on an RX-8) might find a niche at the drag strip or some obscenely long track. otherwise in the real world, yes less power would take it

I would say you should go down to Puerto Rico and see what they consider "street" Rx8. As for the guys I hang with would love to invite you up to NY! They do all sorts of racing applications with the rotory (20+ years). Lots of whats learned comes from racing so that we can figure out hat will work for any application one would wish for. The Rennie is still new and we are learning as we go admittedly. I am no expert but even from those that are wouldn't say something wouldn't work unless they have tried it. In engineering school you will hear lots about theories but learn its in the practical that one leans. I'm around people that do this and so what they say means more to me then people that just theorize.

I'm not so sure it was your words that "developed" the Esmeril kit to what it is now, rather Chris's prowess as a mechanical engineer that got it there.

first I apologize, in no way whatsoever did mean to impress that I myself had anything to do with the evolution of product. What i mean is, peoples feedback, for example a customer complaining because he scrapes the wastegate over speedbumps.
I am by no means elevating myself here, as I have virtually no engineering ability. But prowess is not a word i would use to describe anything that ends up in releasing and selling a wastegate that scrapes over speedbumps...

But like we cleared up, thanks to feedback(customer, peer, or ppl like me) the current product is much better. Were I to have preference to go that route the only major things I'd change would be the turbo itself and adapting for drawthrough

Ok so at this point the kit is definatly one of the top 3, Esmeril, SFR, MM upgrade. So I would say that its up to the customer to decide how they want the car to drive. I only wished all manufactures of their kits would give a clear video on how their respective kits would behave. Like one apple would put together describing how in detail their new tablet works. Not just a driving or racing video, one that shows parts, quick run through of install, o-60, 1/4 mile, tuning and reasons why they picked what they did. A real motor trend or Automobile review of their own product. No one has done this and I don't think its that hard because people review things all the time on youtube and if you set it up it could come out quite nice.

I wish they did this too...

Okay so I've been doing alot of reading lately, mainly about the MM turbo kit and the Esmeril kit as they seem to be the two most viable options for someone looking to go FI. What I get from it all is that both are well built kits and offer great FI capabilites for the renny; but to sum it up the MM kit is more easily tuneable via the Cobb and the Esmeril kit while coming a long way from the begginning still has considerable turbo lag?

Depends on what your comparing it to.... so me a stock NA rx8 feels like it has turbo lag ;)

I have the kit on my car for about 7000+ miles now on stock turbo. Very reliable so far and support has been great. I have stock turbo on my car and I am not complain about the lag. You would be out of your mind if you expect the car to takes off flooring it in 6th gear doing 45 mph. Just with any car, if you are in the right gear, it gets into boost almost instanteneously. My car gets boost in 6th gear around 3200 rpm. I have yet to floor the car below 4th gear on public road. Car pulls hard and I am only running 8-9 lbs of boost wtih methanal. My engine also has Esmeril Seals built by Chris. This kit has a big turbo so it flows well all the way to red line. Passing someone on a two lane high way doing 70 mph doesn't require droping one or two gear anymore. Just roll on the gas padal in 6th and triple digit comes up quite quickly. All in all it is a good quality kit. The only thing I wish for would be the car is running on MAF instead of MAP. But so far there is no issue for me. I don't have MM kit nor know anyone with that kit around where I live. But it is a good kit as well.

Okay thanks alot for the review; anyone one here have the complete MM kit that could give me a little insight?