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Old 06-03-2009, 10:59 PM
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chris when are you going to tease us and make a video?
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Originally Posted by Mr Wankels
So this means your apex seals are availalbe?
Yes they are. The website should be updated with the pricing information and purchasing link by sometime early next week.



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can you please give me a reason y u guys dont offer that kit to the rx8 community? i know it would be costly and most cant afford it or whatever but if someone wants that kit they can always custom order it.. i myself would love that intake manifold!! i plan on boosting the rx8 after its paid off.. but if the parts become available to make a 400whp renesis believe me the parts will sell!
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Originally Posted by kevinD1226
can you please give me a reason y u guys dont offer that kit to the rx8 community? i know it would be costly and most cant afford it or whatever but if someone wants that kit they can always custom order it.. i myself would love that intake manifold!! i plan on boosting the rx8 after its paid off.. but if the parts become available to make a 400whp renesis believe me the parts will sell!
you can make that with the kit they have for sale, if you add a few upgrades.
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Originally Posted by kevinD1226
can you please give me a reason y u guys dont offer that kit to the rx8 community? i know it would be costly and most cant afford it or whatever but if someone wants that kit they can always custom order it.. i myself would love that intake manifold!! i plan on boosting the rx8 after its paid off.. but if the parts become available to make a 400whp renesis believe me the parts will sell!
We do offer a 400whp capable turbo kit. All it requires is the addition of our ignition upgrade and a clutch upgrade if going above 350whp.

The reason I am not thinking of selling this particular setup is because it does away with a lot of things that are a liability for us if we tell you to remove them. The intake manifold disables all three solenoids that control the two valves (SSV and the one that joins the front and rear rotor). Not only does it do this but a new vacuum system must be created to hook to the breather line from the fuel tank. If you add to this the fact that from installing the intake manifold you will see no noticeable power gains unless you are above 360whp(and even then the gain will be up top), you might actually even see a power loss down low because a larger volume intake manifold tends to give you power up top for a little loss down low and the fact that the SSV will now constantly be open. The fabrication time and components that went into that manifold would force it to be priced at well above $1200 dollars to make it worthwhile to manufacture and this is not counting all the stuff that you will have to do to make the car operational once you remove all those things. At least for now we don't see a market for a $1200+ part that takes away from your bottom end and removes all kinds of OEM systems. The purpose of this was to build an all out street car using the renesis engine. I don't mind about loosing a little power down low(below 3500rpm) because after that the car has almost 3 times the power it had stock so I am ok with that. Even so, my car is now heavily ported which helps it use the available volume form the intake manifold more effectively and gives it a little more power in the mid range.

I hope this explains our motives. I am not saying it is not doable or that we will definitely not sell any of the components in this build, I am just saying that right now its not within the scope of the company. We might end up developing a lot of these components but only time will tell.

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Chris

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Chris---sweet and a lot of thought went into this. E85 and the required fuel volume needed addressed a lot of problems that you would have had using pump gas. Very smart. No need for water meth with this. egt's of 1000 degrees----really sweet.
You converted to a return type fuel system---right?
ANything different with the side seals, mop (or pre mix only), and oil pump?
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Chris---sweet and a lot of thought went into this. E85 and the required fuel volume needed addressed a lot of problems that you would have had using pump gas. Very smart. No need for water meth with this. egt's of 1000 degrees----really sweet.
You converted to a return type fuel system---right?
ANything different with the side seals, mop (or pre mix only), and oil pump?
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Yes alot of thinking went in. I actually used the stock fuel line as a return and ran a 5/8" soft line from the tank to a Y and to each pump and then routed them through a Y again to a 1/2" hard line up to a Y right before it splits into each fuel rail. All lines going to and from the fuel rails are -6AN so its basically a dual -6AN system which can flow lots if I ask it to . I then ran the other side of the fuel rails through an Aeromotive FPR and connected the return of the FPR to the stock line back to the tank. The E-85 really makes a difference, I just can't get the engine to detonate . The drawback is that it means replacing all the injectors which can get pricey. I have 720cc primaries, 1680 secondaries and 1000cc P2's. The pumps are probably good for 7-800whp on E-85 (1200 on gas) so the injectors are the limiting factor right now since they are good to a little above 500whp.

As for the seals, nothing has changed....we are not revving the engine any higher and combustion temperatures are down not to mention that no detonation is happening so I don't see why the seals would be a problem. The engine seems to like it well. We only changed the Apex seals to our own because that can break from power even if there is no detonation after a certain level. I still think that on E-85, 500whp is attainable with stock seals but we needed to test ours and now the engine is really internally safe.

Thanks for the comments.

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stupid question, but could you run a meth setup with E85?
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Respect for you Chris !!!!
You could go 20B route but you want to show us what the renesis can do.
Many guys have turbos here but we dont see anybody try to squeeze as much as possible from that engine.
You the hope keep up the nice job !!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Mr Wankels
stupid question, but could you run a meth setup with E85?
Why would you want to run an alcohol injection kit when you are injecting fuel that is 85% percent alcohol?

If you want more alcohol go to E98.

Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Motomouse
Respect for you Chris !!!!
You could go 20B route but you want to show us what the renesis can do.
Many guys have turbos here but we dont see anybody try to squeeze as much as possible from that engine.
You the hope keep up the nice job !!!!!!!!
Thanks!

We are just doing what the RX-7 guys were doing 15 years ago , developing the new engine. Why go to an older, less technologically advanced engine instead of dealing with the issues and solving them one at a time until we reach our goals?

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Thank you for not marketing this kit, we don't need 20 more "Did my engine just blow up" threads

Not that there's anything wrong with your kit, just that avg person is likely to f' it up somehow (not that we've ever seen this around here)
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Chris, did you make a new LIM or just a UIM? I am just wondering why you said it would disable all the variable intake valves?

That UIM is something I would be interested in....but it does sound expensive
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
Chris, did you make a new LIM or just a UIM? I am just wondering why you said it would disable all the variable intake valves?

That UIM is something I would be interested in....but it does sound expensive
I did the UIM. That is the main restriction because it doesn't have a working plenum but instead has a 70mm pipe that is about 9-10 inches long from which airflow gets split up. So after a certain point, you are boosting 18psi measure behind the throttle body but only 12psi are getting into the chamber before the port closes (this is and example).

When boosting/flowing lots, the 3" pipe OEM UIM becomes a restriction in the upper RPM range.

The new manifold is a night and day difference, at 12psi it feels above 400whp with the PT71GTQ turbo.

The reason I said it disables the use of the SSV etc...is because all those run off a vacuum chamber that is a part of the OEM upper intake manifold....the APV will still work.

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Old 06-10-2009, 02:29 PM
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OMFG!!!!! dude that set up loooookkkssssss soooooooooooooooo fffffffcccckkkkkkkkkin sexy...im subscribing i wanna see what you guys have in store
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when are you guys gone have videos of this beast?? like the one with 414 whp which was badass
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