Don't get me wrong, I still love rotaries, but the weight argument holds little water
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ok:)
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I really like the idea of the kit however for the money at this point in time I couldnt do it....Definitely be interested in years to come though when I have the 10k or whatever it would take to spend on it
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3243501)
agree with you there . BUT you destroy the soul of the car by doing that IMO . The thing that turned me from someone interested in cars to an enthusiast was the rotary engine .
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
(Post 3244285)
Don't get me wrong, I still love rotaries, but the weight argument holds little water
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I could totally fit a lawn mower motor lower and farther back. It must be the best.
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Originally Posted by pking1122
(Post 3244338)
Maybe so, but what are the dimensions of an LS6? Its huge, and will sit a lot further ahead of the wheels, throwing balance more than what an additional rotor+ snails would. Weight is 1 factor, but where it's applied has a major effect as well. There is no disputing a rotary is the better fit for an RX-8.
I still say this at the risk of people thinking I am pro-piston swapping on this car, which I am not. I honestly believe you should just go buy a Corvette if you want pushrod power. It's just tiring to hear the same old out-dated arguments when people believe LSX blocks are 800-lbs or something crazy.
Originally Posted by Mawnee
(Post 3244350)
I could totally fit a lawn mower motor lower and farther back. It must be the best.
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
(Post 3244385)
Actually in the 8 you could get an LSX behind the front wheels. There some pictures floating around here someone of a car that did just that. Would the balance be off? Yes. Would it be thrown off with a 3-rotor 20B as well? Yes.
I still say this at the risk of people thinking I am pro-piston swapping on this car, which I am not. I honestly believe you should just go buy a Corvette if you want pushrod power. It's just tiring to hear the same old out-dated arguments when people believe LSX blocks are 800-lbs or something crazy. LOL I could fit a 2-stroke 49cc in the transmission tunnel! |
Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
(Post 3241976)
I agree with that but its good to understand that a stock port 20B with a set of apex seals(which are just 350$) and no dowel pinning can generate 600-650whp on just 15psi and pump gas. So if you get an engine, a Oring set, a set of apex seals and some time is all it takes to get it "built"...its not as extensive as attempting the same feat on a 13B. You can get a 20b for about 2500 if you really search hard plus say the kit is 2.5 grand....and all the other stuff is 3000....you could potentially end up with a 20b conversion that is around 8-10k which is not that bad considering Mazsport was selling their turbo kit for that much and actually sold a few and it was rated for mid to high 400whp (I have yet to see one break 400whp).
Best regards, Chris The 20B can reliably make a lot more power and is a better platform to work with than the Renessis if you want a lot of power. Doing a forced induction setup on the Renessis costs roughly 8 - 10k. Doing a built 20B swap into the RX8 would cost roughly 8 - 10k. If this is true, why would anyone choose forced induction in the Renessis over the 20B swap? |
Originally Posted by chameleonGTS
(Post 3244905)
What I get from this statement is:
The 20B can reliably make a lot more power and is a better platform to work with than the Renessis if you want a lot of power. Doing a forced induction setup on the Renessis costs roughly 8 - 10k. Doing a built 20B swap into the RX8 would cost roughly 8 - 10k. If this is true, why would anyone choose forced induction in the Renessis over the 20B swap? Chris |
Did everyone just skip over what I was saying? Putting a piston engine in, no matter how light, will change the car completely. Its not the 50/50 distribution, its not the side/side distribution, it is more the top the bottom and where the weight is centered. The rotary, even if heavy, still sits lower and this gives the car that change-direction-on-demand that makes the car unique in its ability to handle. Putting in a 20b would still maintain this balance that you can never get from a v8 or v6. I believe if a kit was made so that you could basically, replace the front end of the car over a weekend, the swap kit would be worth every penny as you would have many that would just drop their car by and have it done as they do with the pettit if they are not mechanically inclined. The others that are, will just do it in their garage or take it to one that has the adequate tools and do it that way. Doing it this way would be better but, as we all know, would put the cost for making the kit high as you would be building the front half of the car. Perhaps a core charge like option could be done. Just some thoughts and see what you all think. Many of us would love to have a 20b, turbo or not, put in our cars, the easier, the better.
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$15k is a wet dream
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You can turbo the Renesis reliably for under $6,000
Swapping a 20B into the RX-8 for anything UNDER $20k is a dream. Even with a reasonably priced swap kit, you still need a standalone EMS, custom wiring for the standalone, a 20B long block with manifold, the engine will need to be rebuilt, a full return style fuel system, turbocharger and external wastegate and blow-off valve, custom manifold/downpipe, upgraded clutch OR a Tremec T-56 transmission plus the custom fab work to install it, plus labor for a shop to install of this, and custom tuning. Add it up |
And you could swap in a LS1/T-56 for under 8K. hrmmmmmmm think I'll go LS1
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if you dont have the ecu handled you cant afford the swap..
does not matter what engine you put in it.. hey, but i dont know dick.. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by swoope
(Post 3246320)
if you dont have the ecu handled you cant afford the swap..
does not matter what engine you put in it.. hey, but i dont know dick.. beers :beer: We all prefer to know Jane any way .... :cwm27: for anyone who does these types of swaps it's not about the money, if you're happy with a turbo Renesis then fine, but I wouldn't be. :dunno: . |
Originally Posted by Fate710
(Post 3246257)
And you could swap in a LS1/T-56 for under 8K. hrmmmmmmm think I'll go LS1
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
(Post 3246464)
I would like to see that (for the price point you mentioned)
Not hard, buy a wrecked camaro, firebird, or transam, pull the engine tranny, and sell the rest of the car off. If you don't buy a donor car for parts, you can buy an engine/tranny combo for around $2500-$3000. Then its just custom work after that. You can do it for under what I said, you just have to be willin to work for it and do alot of work yourself. |
^ yup....
I guess this 20b route could work out considering I always thought this swap would cost atleast $40,000 to do lol (for someone else to do all the work). |
Will everyone just fuck off with the goddamn ls1,2,7,x engine swap? Most of us don't give a shit! The thread is for 2 0 B conversion. No more god damn details on weight, size and pistons, etc and etc, blah blah blah. I suggest if you don't have anything pertaining to the 2 0 B conversion, then stop typing. BTW Chris, make a subframe, new engine mounts, and the steering shaft extension using a stock rx7 transmission(first) and you'll see how many people will start buying it.
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Originally Posted by Fate710
(Post 3246550)
Not hard, buy a wrecked camaro, firebird, or transam, pull the engine tranny, and sell the rest of the car off.
If you don't buy a donor car for parts, you can buy an engine/tranny combo for around $2500-$3000. Then its just custom work after that. You can do it for under what I said, you just have to be willin to work for it and do alot of work yourself. Even if you could custom fab yourself, you still need a standalone EMS, completely new return style fuel system, custom headers/exhaust (you could make them I guess) and more. It would be tight making it under $10K But I think this thread has gotten off-track enough... |
Originally Posted by dznutzuk
(Post 3247790)
Will everyone just fuck off with the goddamn ls1,2,7,x engine swap? Most of us don't give a shit! The thread is for 2 0 B conversion. No more god damn details on weight, size and pistons, etc and etc, blah blah blah. I suggest if you don't have anything pertaining to the 2 0 B conversion, then stop typing. BTW Chris, make a subframe, new engine mounts, and the steering shaft extension using a stock rx7 transmission(first) and you'll see how many people will start buying it.
Chris |
only crazy people have 3 rotors.... :)
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Originally Posted by angeljoelv
(Post 3248108)
only crazy people have 3 rotors.... :)
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Originally Posted by pdxhak
(Post 3241263)
I think you should make a 3 rotor renesis kit...
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