I'll talk to MM and maybe we will give it a shot, I just wish it could be a live tune.

 

I suppose you think that he's the only person who can tune using an AP too but go ahead and prove to yourself what a number of us already know to be true

 

Not at all but he does have the proven record doesn't he. To be honest most tuners have preference and if you want tol use something else maybe you should use a different tuner. That in fact was the reason for my trying to bring up a meaningfull discussion as, how to, which is better and difficulties of tuning a full bridge Renny. I haven't done it yet and I'm actively looking to.

We could have tried if you had kept that last short block Mark!

 

your blockheadedness is truly amazing

I suppose you could say that I do use a different tuner

 

 

you guys and your well known "secrets", lol

 

Well, when there's 3 dead engines on the shelf it'd be rude not to experiment wouldn't it?

 

 

There is still only one running BP renesis in the world right?

 

That's a definite no. There are much more. I have one and the guys at REC told me they are doing lots more especially for guys in PR.

 

Are they all still running? Red is the only one I knew of.

 

Subbed, there were a few bridge renesis running in the UK, I know one that is now running a peripheral intake/side exhaust setup.

 

Ported side intake + bridgy and peripheral exhaust (welded stock exhaust ports) produces better results...
The only downside is the custom exhaust side engine mount required... no biggie

 

No biggie at all. You just get one for an S3 RX7.

 

I have heard of one in Australia on the Aussie forums but it wasn't actually running or tuned yet. The one is South Africa lasted about as long as Hoss's.

 

BDC the other day on FB was saying one of his BP engines pulled 241 whp on a dyno. No info on the build so no details if the motor lasted and what other mods to the engine.

 

Not sure on the power figure but it's running a mapped stock ecu and it is a lot quieter than a peripheral exhaust.

 

My guess would be if your doing the bridge why not also mill the rotor to accept the call FD height and use stronger apex seals.

 

The reason behind going peripheral exhaust\side intake was dictated by the rpm versatility of the OE intake manifold and the benefits of a MAF based setup when a broad powerband is required.
Also consider that the engine is not limited during the intake stroke, it's the exhaust ports shape that is crap from a performance point of view.
By keeping the OE intake manifold and using a different port location & timing you reach a decent compromise that the stock PCM is fully capable to withstand

 

Why not swap in an REW and bridge that?

 

I think we're discussing at cross purposes, this is running a peripheral intake and side exhaust. It's experimental by these chaps. Although he may have gone to full peripheral now.

 

Well i don't think it's a matter of purpose if you want "power" without going full PP (which is a very well known and explored territory by itself).
What limits a renesis is not the intake, it's the exhaust (more its "route" than its location) so going peripheral exhaust without sacrificing the good (yet not perfect) intake we have is the most logical solution. Of course you have to raise the rev limiter to 9700\9800rpm to take full advantage of such configuration.

The only problem with a peripheral exhaust, engine mount aside, is its shape and duration. You do have to port them in order to gain a tangible benefit from the mod. Welding the oe exhaust ports may also be a pain in the *** if the shop doesn't have the right tools and skills.

The last problem is that the engine is no longer technically a renesis but who cares!

 

Other than it makes absolutely no sense at all to start with a Renesis in that scenario and the owner will likely pay the eventual price of fail in all regards as a result, you are probably correct.

 

Back to my original point, swap in an REW and be done with it.

 

I think in all fairness, is this not an N/a whp "arms-race"??
those who Bridgeport can't turbo, b/c honestly you don't need a bridge port, if you can just go FI.

i think the future developement and mods to the rotary could lead to higher and higher NA hp levels, what is the known max for ANY 1300cc wankle, that would be a full PP, and it's probably around 330-350whp?

I hope you've all seen define's 230rwhp 13b-RE block. Take the ports from that, and add the area's of BDC's latest 241 whp block's ports, and see what would develope. then add PP ports controlled on both ends intake and exhaust(i've said too much here). This is what I "plan" to do. sure it won't be a renesis or technically any exsistant block, it will be ... a HYSELL block. thats my last name.