Notices
Series I Major Horsepower Upgrades This is the place to discuss Super Chargers and Turbos, Nitrous, Porting, etc

79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 01-01-2010, 07:05 AM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant

I will soon be posting details and pictures of a conversion from the original 12A engine to a stock Renesis engine which will be managed be an Electromotive TECgt.
Old 01-01-2010, 01:13 PM
  #2  
Registered
 
arghx7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 654
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
I'll be interested to see how you controlled the auxiliary ports.
Old 01-01-2010, 01:24 PM
  #3  
Pull My Finger
iTrader: (7)
 
gregs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: So.Cal
Posts: 1,784
Received 17 Likes on 8 Posts
very nice! cant wait to see more details
Old 01-01-2010, 03:06 PM
  #4  
Hit & Run Magnet
iTrader: (3)
 
kersh4w's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC Area
Posts: 6,690
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
why not use the stock pcm and an accessport?
Old 01-01-2010, 06:30 PM
  #5  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kersh4w
why not use the stock pcm and an accessport?
Can't because of the security key/dash/ ECU theft prevention feature in a stock vehicle
Old 01-01-2010, 06:36 PM
  #6  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by arghx7
I'll be interested to see how you controlled the auxiliary ports.
The two vacuim operated valves will be activated by thier respective solenoid valve enabled/disabled using a output.
The electrically operated port will be operated by another output (RPM & TPS/MAP) through a circuit I designed
Old 01-02-2010, 12:32 AM
  #7  
Registered
 
nate340's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Long Point, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 832
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
dosnt racing beat offer a flash that can disable the key security thing?
Old 01-02-2010, 03:02 AM
  #8  
Registered
 
PhillipM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 863
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by arghx7
I'll be interested to see how you controlled the auxiliary ports.
Little black twin relay box + 2 signals from the ECU sorts that out.
Old 01-02-2010, 05:13 AM
  #9  
#50
 
bse50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Caput Mundi
Posts: 7,521
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
This thing is going to fly!
Old 01-03-2010, 02:13 AM
  #10  
Its coming......
 
OSSHWA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Very cool swap indeed, sub'd.
Old 01-03-2010, 08:31 AM
  #11  
Rotary wanabee
iTrader: (1)
 
heyarnold69's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 1,978
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
may I suggest ...... better brakes... enjoy the ride What she weigh?
Old 01-03-2010, 02:51 PM
  #12  
Hit & Run Magnet
iTrader: (3)
 
kersh4w's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC Area
Posts: 6,690
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by nate340
dosnt racing beat offer a flash that can disable the key security thing?
im sure the accessport could turn it off too...
Old 01-04-2010, 01:54 PM
  #13  
Registered
 
arghx7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 654
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by PhillipM
Little black twin relay box + 2 signals from the ECU sorts that out.
Have you tested this system yet? I've heard a lot of people talk about custom APV motor control but I've never seen results of someone who has gotten it to work over a long period of time.
Old 01-06-2010, 01:23 AM
  #14  
i'm the undead
 
diabolical1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 254
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
now this is a project! can't wait to see this thing.
Old 01-08-2010, 10:15 AM
  #15  
Registered
 
hondasr4kids's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: El Centro, Ca.
Posts: 422
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't know if this will help, but I used to use this on my Honda days. When we swapped VTEC motors in and didn't have a VTEC ECU this is how we get the VTEC to work.
http://www.msperformanceonline.com/8950.html
Old 01-08-2010, 10:22 AM
  #16  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,756
Received 2,025 Likes on 1,649 Posts
No it won't help, that's just an on/off switch
Old 01-09-2010, 07:15 AM
  #17  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Talking Project Update

OK guys, progress has been made over the past couple of weeks and I am please to tell you that I managed to "fire it up" last evening in my closed shop. (Its freezing here in Texas. This was not as "simple" of a project as I anticipated but the light is at the end of the tunnel!
I have taken several pictures (not sure how to create an album on the forum yet) but I am sure I'll get some advise!
Last night, I built the exhaust system which includes a high flow CAT purchased from RP. It's nice and quiet, very smooth, very peppy and can't wait to drive it later on today or Sunday.
I used a "base" Electromotive program file I had in my Rollerskate to start with although it had different injectors. That motor is a half bridge Cosmo (from my drag RX8) before I turbo charged it with stock Cosmo 850 injectors.
Next step is to assemble & complete the "Black Box" for intake control, mount the electric radiator fan, reinstall the heater blower motor so I won't freeze to death then begin the tuning process. Once I have it "drivable", I'll be off to Rotary Performance to see Ari & Chris and the dyno.
for now!
Attached Thumbnails 79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-before.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-disassembly-1.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-disassembly-2.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-engine-bay-cleaned-up.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-renesis-assembled.jpg  

Old 01-09-2010, 08:09 AM
  #18  
Blue Bullet?
iTrader: (3)
 
mscamp02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: morehead, Ky
Posts: 2,593
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
very nice, cant wait to see some more pics
Old 01-09-2010, 01:24 PM
  #19  
Registered User
 
super pl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi, I have a project like yours an Rx-7 1984 with an engine RX-8 2004 Automatic. I control it with a Microtech LT-10.

http://http://s219.photobucket.com/a...-7Satourne.flv

Good luck
Old 01-09-2010, 01:26 PM
  #20  
Registered User
 
super pl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://s219.photobucket.com/albums/c...-7Satourne.flv
Old 01-17-2010, 05:56 AM
  #21  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Project update

I have to confess, this has been the most frustrating engine to "tune" I have ever done. Not knowing anything about how and when all the injectors and manifold valves operated or are staged in the factory ECU has been the challenge. I literally have used up over a tank plus of gasoline just in my shop with the car on the lift.
I am still amazed at how temperamental this combination is where I literally have had to tune each load point/RPM cell by cell, and I haven't been to the dyno yet!

Even adding the custom intake tubing and air cleaner had an effect so I had to start over. Anyway, it's finally ready to take it off the lift and go for a test driveMore to follow with pictures.
Old 01-18-2010, 04:37 PM
  #22  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
longpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stamford, CT
Posts: 629
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From the standpoint of tuning, wouldn't it have been simpler to have done a "frankenstein" engine using the 4 port renesis engine, substituting in the front cover and MOP from the '79, and using the injection , motor mount, and ignition from a GSL-SE?
Old 01-18-2010, 06:41 PM
  #23  
Hit & Run Magnet
iTrader: (3)
 
kersh4w's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: DC Area
Posts: 6,690
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
what exhaust are you running? it sounds nice.

also, i think stiffer motor mounts are in order.
Old 01-23-2010, 07:49 AM
  #24  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
kens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kersh4w
what exhaust are you running? it sounds nice.

also, i think stiffer motor mounts are in order.
I elected to use the stock first gen. engine mounts but had to fabricate the mounts from the engine to the stock mounts. I considered fabricating a totally new method (to the sub frame) but that would have interfered with the steering etc.

As for the exhaust, I elected to use a high flow cat and the stock pre- silencer which I connected to the "stock" rear muffler. I will change this later but for the tuning "experience, I wanted to keep it quiet and save time.
Attached Thumbnails 79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-exhaust.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-l-mount.jpg   79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant-r-engine-mount-oil-inj..jpg  
Old 01-23-2010, 09:46 AM
  #25  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
longpath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Stamford, CT
Posts: 629
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kens
I elected to use the stock first gen. engine mounts but had to fabricate the mounts from the engine to the stock mounts. I considered fabricating a totally new method (to the sub frame) but that would have interfered with the steering etc.

As for the exhaust, I elected to use a high flow cat and the stock pre- silencer which I connected to the "stock" rear muffler. I will change this later but for the tuning "experience, I wanted to keep it quiet and save time.
Are those vintage rubber isolators at the '79 stock mount points or new ones? My recollection from when I had a '79 is that they have a lot of compliance. It looks like you're using new ones, so I would guess they would be softer than originals from '79 (just because of hardening over time).


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: 79 RX7 gets Renesis transplant



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:39 AM.