cfun70591

I have an 04 with the bose system and the factory radio. I had two 10" type r's installed along with an amp, it was done proffesionally. I noticed that on the stereo it has to be fade/balance to the right or left 3 or 4 times for them to actually hit. if i do not fade it, it only picks up very low frequencies and its very difficult to hear. i was wondering if you have to fade to the right or left, or if the installers did somthing wrong.

LURCH634

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NO. Mine doesnot have to be faded at all. where did they tap in the factory outputs? Behind the radio or in the trunk. That may have something to do with it. Also did they bypass the BOSE amp?

cfun70591

i got it done at best buy because thats really the only place that does subs, so whatever they did, the first guy to install it screwed up so i had the head cartech look at it and realized the guy didnt realize i had the bose but now i have this problem

LURCH634

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You need to get them (or you) to bypass the system. Or get an LOC and tap of the rear speaker from the trunk. This way you will get full signal. It also sounds like if you have to move the balance, the dumbasses tapped all of the outputs just on one side!

cfun70591

ok i knew that having to move the balance wasnt right, now im not an very good at car audio, i know the people at best buy arent either, but so i dont have to figure it out later and try to explain, could u tell me what u mean by bypass the system

LURCH634

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Sorry for the delay I got tied up. Check out his thread
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...6&pp=15&page=5
if you still can't figure it out let me know

cfun70591

ok since i have this amp http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1199494646259, i just have to tell them to tap into the pre-amp wires from the head unit and run those into the amps line level input?

and if they already did that, then have them tap into both sides instead of the right?

firebirdude

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The installers did not install the line output converter properly. The Bose system does not have to be "bypassed." You can easily fix it yourself if you'd like. Follow the RCA cables from your amplifier back until you find where they hid the line output converter. It's a small plastic box with speaker wires on one side and the RCAs on the other. Unplug the RCAs from the box. Next, follow the speaker wires up till you find where they tapped into your factory wiring. Remove their electrical tape/wire taps/whatever they used and undo the connection. Ensure the factory wiring is not cut/damaged. You should now have the line output converter free from the car. Tape the factory wiring back up so it does not short against anything.

Now you simply strip the insulation back on the speaker wires going to the factory rear 6x9" speakers. Splice in the speaker wires from the line output converter. Observe correct polarity. Reconnect RCAs and rock out.

If you dont feel comfortable doing this, take it back to them. Tell them to ignore the fact you have the Bose system and just tap into the rear speaker wires.

You've come to the right place. We've done this a time or two.

firebirdude

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Again, with the Bose system, you will need them to tap AFTER THE BOSE AMP.

Take it back to them and let them sort it out.

cfun70591

So i went to Best Buy today and told the guy who originally installed it my problem, he looked at it, he said that they were tapped in after the bose amp into both speakers. He thinks that one of the RCA cables is loose. He also mentioned that all of their work is soldered, but for some reason my subs were installed with clips. And now he wants to charge me $65 to solder them.

firebirdude

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Talk to a manager. Plain and simple.

If that car was completely untouched when you took it in, you bought the line output converter from them and had them install everything, that is complete crap. My shop "solders everything" too, but occasionally a solder gun is tough to get to where the solder is.... so we use the eye splice method and move on. NOW THEN, that certainly doesn't mean the installer just wasn't lazy and skipped the solder because he didn't want to crawl in the trunk and solder above his face. Man up. I've done it more times than I can count.

Talk to a manager. If that doesn't work, talk to the store director.

WikkedOne

wait - so the subs work good if you have it faded right OR left - but not center..

sounds to me like it is after the amp like it's supposed to be (or it would never sound quite right) - just the polarity on one of the channels is backwards..

like the + and - are reversed on say, the right channel

so if you faded it to the left you would get only the signal from the left channel which is correct

if you faded it to the right, you would get only backwards polarity, which would be wrong, but would still hit and sound OK to an untrained ear

but if you had it in the center you would be pulling a correct polarity and a reverse polarity which would essentially cancel eachother out right?

try to unplug one RCA at a time and let it bump - the speaker should push out when it's hitting not pull in.. you could actually leave off the one that's wrong and it would be OK - but I would get a manager and BITCH and make them do it over and solder like they should have from the beginning!

04rx8gr

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They are feeding you alot of bullshit. . .Have there manager call me Then all will be solved haha you may even get some money back haha

cfun70591

yea for sure, i have geek squad warranty for another year and a half and if he makes me pay...well..ill be owning a huge chunk of best buy

04rx8gr

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Haha, I'm serious dude, I have put together over 300-400 car stereo systems in my time and I guarantee they wouldn't be able to back up the bull **** they are telling you.

cfun70591

yea the guy who looked at it today and said "idk why the installer would use clips, we solder all of them" in fact was the guy who originally installed.

04rx8gr

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oh lord get your money back and go somewhere else haha!

adviceinst

Ok I am sure firebird will back me on this one. But any shop worth anything with have a tone generator in it. They could unplug the rca's from the LOC and test the RCA down to the amp. By passing a low feq signal to the sub and making it play.

If it plays OK it is not the RCA's or Amp it the LOC. If it still has the same issue they could unplug the rca from the amp and run a test pair and test it again. if that works then you know it is the RCA's. If that is not it then it is a problem with the amp.

Personally I would be willing to bet they sold you their top of the line LOC which is is adjustable and they are over driving the signal to the amp. So when you fade it to the left or right it no longer over drives the amp and plays with no issues.



But if you bought everything from them and they installed all of it. Make them fix it or throw a fit in the store like a 5yr old at Disney that has to leave. Get the entire store attention on how dissapointed you are.( (dont curse) They will mke it right or refund you.

cfun70591

So i tested WikkedOnes theory, and he was correct, i unplugged the right RCA from the amp and they hit without it being faded, but im still going back today to get it fixed. And i bought everything from them and they installed everything

cornholio135

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Simple solution... if the bass hits ONLY when balanced to either the left or right and not when centered... simply reverse the speaker wires on ONE of the woofers(like where the go into the back of the cabinet)... they are out-of-phase...

firebirdude

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That is the problem.

But I wasn't about to have him troubleshoot/fix the problem when he paid good money for a major shop to do the work. And when they give him a load of crap about fixing the problem..... that just pisses me off. It's a matter of principle now.

cfun70591

so i took it to best buy today, the idiot car tech wasnt there, luckily it was the head car tech, i explained my problem, he said it was probably the other guys fault, 15 minutes later it was all fixed and it sounds perfect, although the wires still arent soldered