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08-15-2012, 01:04 PM
#52
It may be designed from something, but accolade is a decent company that designs kits. Technically if you use that way of looking at it the only "authentic" is genuine Mazda. Its all designed from the factory bumper. So, my bad.
08-15-2012, 01:06 PM
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I disagree Hessel.
Accolade copied a design for a fender from Mazda to create theirs. There was no original concept on their part, it's a carbon copy of something someone had already created.
R-Magic for example sells parts that they themselves designed and created. ie; they didn't copy anyone. Obviously they all need to take some queues from Mazda in order for the parts to FIT but it's not as though R Magic's bumper looks anything like Mazdas.
Another example: R Magic hood vs Seibon. While Seibon is a respected name in the industry, there is no question that one of their hoods is a copy of R Magic's. R Magic came up with the design, Seibon duplicated it just as Accolade did in the example above. While both Seibon and Accolade took the effort to manufacture the part, I dont' consider it an authentic / original piece because the design was not theirs to begin with. Hence why we call them replicas.
anyways, we digress.
do you have a shipping estimate on these shrouds?
Accolade copied a design for a fender from Mazda to create theirs. There was no original concept on their part, it's a carbon copy of something someone had already created.
R-Magic for example sells parts that they themselves designed and created. ie; they didn't copy anyone. Obviously they all need to take some queues from Mazda in order for the parts to FIT but it's not as though R Magic's bumper looks anything like Mazdas.
Another example: R Magic hood vs Seibon. While Seibon is a respected name in the industry, there is no question that one of their hoods is a copy of R Magic's. R Magic came up with the design, Seibon duplicated it just as Accolade did in the example above. While both Seibon and Accolade took the effort to manufacture the part, I dont' consider it an authentic / original piece because the design was not theirs to begin with. Hence why we call them replicas.
anyways, we digress.
do you have a shipping estimate on these shrouds?
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08-15-2012, 01:12 PM
#54
Free shipping. I understand your statement about originals. But if you replicate something that is a good product, you can easily make it fit just like that product. That is the great thing about molds. I used to work for a plastic injection molding company, and everything we made, came out the same everytime. You can do this with fiberglass also if you have a mold. So creating a mold from an authentic should replicate the fitment as well.
08-15-2012, 01:21 PM
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sorry, I meant in regards to shipping time not price.
I agree, you can make anything out of a mold, but I often wonder how the mold was made with some of these companies and how many times that mold has been used. Something has to be causing them not to fit as well as the product they were designed from.
I've seen cases where people buy a replica and spend enough money trying to get it fit properly that they would have almost been better off just buying the authentic and simply painting / installing.
I agree, you can make anything out of a mold, but I often wonder how the mold was made with some of these companies and how many times that mold has been used. Something has to be causing them not to fit as well as the product they were designed from.
I've seen cases where people buy a replica and spend enough money trying to get it fit properly that they would have almost been better off just buying the authentic and simply painting / installing.
08-15-2012, 06:13 PM
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sorry, I meant in regards to shipping time not price.
I agree, you can make anything out of a mold, but I often wonder how the mold was made with some of these companies and how many times that mold has been used. Something has to be causing them not to fit as well as the product they were designed from.
I've seen cases where people buy a replica and spend enough money trying to get it fit properly that they would have almost been better off just buying the authentic and simply painting / installing.
I agree, you can make anything out of a mold, but I often wonder how the mold was made with some of these companies and how many times that mold has been used. Something has to be causing them not to fit as well as the product they were designed from.
I've seen cases where people buy a replica and spend enough money trying to get it fit properly that they would have almost been better off just buying the authentic and simply painting / installing.
08-16-2012, 04:18 PM
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shut up shut up shut up.
No kit, and I repeat NO KIT, real or rep, will fit perfectly. The only thing that will ever fit perfect is OEM and some lips (because easy install).
You get what you pay for, no matter what. Kits can't magically be cheaper just because they're not name brand. The only company I know of that makes pieces that fit perfect is shine auto. And thats because each piece is made to order and they actually mock them onto rx8s. Not cheap though.
The main problem, from my experience, with cheap kits is that they're made out of shitty material that's fragile and a bitch to work with.
He's buying rear shrouds guys, not a rear bumper. I would never pay more than $100 for such an insignificant piece that chances are no one will even notice its different from stock.
There is a local who bought authentic ings sides, rear, and spoiler and the fitment was complete ****, even on the spoiler.
Let us know how the fitment is on these reps, my only problem with it would be mounting. I wouldn't want to put any visible screws to mount a fake piece onto an OEM bumper. I've seen people do this with the evoR rep lip on ebay mounted to the front bumper and it looks like garbage while also ruining the integrity of your bumper.
No kit, and I repeat NO KIT, real or rep, will fit perfectly. The only thing that will ever fit perfect is OEM and some lips (because easy install).
You get what you pay for, no matter what. Kits can't magically be cheaper just because they're not name brand. The only company I know of that makes pieces that fit perfect is shine auto. And thats because each piece is made to order and they actually mock them onto rx8s. Not cheap though.
The main problem, from my experience, with cheap kits is that they're made out of shitty material that's fragile and a bitch to work with.
He's buying rear shrouds guys, not a rear bumper. I would never pay more than $100 for such an insignificant piece that chances are no one will even notice its different from stock.
There is a local who bought authentic ings sides, rear, and spoiler and the fitment was complete ****, even on the spoiler.
Let us know how the fitment is on these reps, my only problem with it would be mounting. I wouldn't want to put any visible screws to mount a fake piece onto an OEM bumper. I've seen people do this with the evoR rep lip on ebay mounted to the front bumper and it looks like garbage while also ruining the integrity of your bumper.
08-16-2012, 04:56 PM
#60
Who you telling to shut up? Your Mint Blue pieces replica or authentic?
Accolade is complete crap. Shine Auto is not perfect but they are good guys who stand by what they produce which is way better than 99% of the companies out there.
Any company that produces parts from molds have issues. Molds are expensive and time consuming to make. You can only make so many parts from the mold before it needs to be trashed. This is where most cheap replica companies fall short. They keep producing parts out of old/crappy molds.
Accolade is complete crap. Shine Auto is not perfect but they are good guys who stand by what they produce which is way better than 99% of the companies out there.
Any company that produces parts from molds have issues. Molds are expensive and time consuming to make. You can only make so many parts from the mold before it needs to be trashed. This is where most cheap replica companies fall short. They keep producing parts out of old/crappy molds.
08-16-2012, 06:13 PM
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I would hope OEM is the bar that all manufacturers strive for but it's still not perfect
Shine auto is not OEM
therefore given your logic, it is incapable of being 'perfect'
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We do try to keep items in stock in few quantities.
We do try to keep items in stock in few quantities.
Shine Auto's "Spec A" bumper is only $450 (a direct knockoff of Au-To Bahn Sports)
Au-To Bahn Sports = $1,400 (excluding shipping from Japan)
That's because you're cheap.
this might be THE only part of your statement I remotely agree with which is why many of us choose not to buy cheap replicas .
08-16-2012, 06:53 PM
#62
Who you telling to shut up? Your Mint Blue pieces replica or authentic?
Accolade is complete crap. Shine Auto is not perfect but they are good guys who stand by what they produce which is way better than 99% of the companies out there.
Any company that produces parts from molds have issues. Molds are expensive and time consuming to make. You can only make so many parts from the mold before it needs to be trashed. This is where most cheap replica companies fall short. They keep producing parts out of old/crappy molds.
Accolade is complete crap. Shine Auto is not perfect but they are good guys who stand by what they produce which is way better than 99% of the companies out there.
Any company that produces parts from molds have issues. Molds are expensive and time consuming to make. You can only make so many parts from the mold before it needs to be trashed. This is where most cheap replica companies fall short. They keep producing parts out of old/crappy molds.
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08-16-2012, 06:58 PM
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08-16-2012, 07:02 PM
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shut up shut up shut up.
No kit, and I repeat NO KIT, real or rep, will fit perfectly. The only thing that will ever fit perfect is OEM and some lips (because easy install).
You get what you pay for, no matter what. Kits can't magically be cheaper just because they're not name brand. The only company I know of that makes pieces that fit perfect is shine auto. And thats because each piece is made to order and they actually mock them onto rx8s. Not cheap though.
The main problem, from my experience, with cheap kits is that they're made out of shitty material that's fragile and a bitch to work with.
He's buying rear shrouds guys, not a rear bumper. I would never pay more than $100 for such an insignificant piece that chances are no one will even notice its different from stock.
There is a local who bought authentic ings sides, rear, and spoiler and the fitment was complete ****, even on the spoiler.
Let us know how the fitment is on these reps, my only problem with it would be mounting. I wouldn't want to put any visible screws to mount a fake piece onto an OEM bumper. I've seen people do this with the evoR rep lip on ebay mounted to the front bumper and it looks like garbage while also ruining the integrity of your bumper.
No kit, and I repeat NO KIT, real or rep, will fit perfectly. The only thing that will ever fit perfect is OEM and some lips (because easy install).
You get what you pay for, no matter what. Kits can't magically be cheaper just because they're not name brand. The only company I know of that makes pieces that fit perfect is shine auto. And thats because each piece is made to order and they actually mock them onto rx8s. Not cheap though.
The main problem, from my experience, with cheap kits is that they're made out of shitty material that's fragile and a bitch to work with.
He's buying rear shrouds guys, not a rear bumper. I would never pay more than $100 for such an insignificant piece that chances are no one will even notice its different from stock.
There is a local who bought authentic ings sides, rear, and spoiler and the fitment was complete ****, even on the spoiler.
Let us know how the fitment is on these reps, my only problem with it would be mounting. I wouldn't want to put any visible screws to mount a fake piece onto an OEM bumper. I've seen people do this with the evoR rep lip on ebay mounted to the front bumper and it looks like garbage while also ruining the integrity of your bumper.
08-16-2012, 07:29 PM
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It would cost you more to produce your own kit then to order and alter one like I did, I once thought about building my own kit, even designed it up and had people vote on it, but it would have still been at a loss to me unless I were to make and sell dozens.
https://www.rx8club.com/exterior-app...winter-175707/
https://www.rx8club.com/exterior-app...winter-175707/
08-16-2012, 07:39 PM
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The "shut up" part wasn't meant to offend. Merely meant as an interruption to the discussion. Ha... sorry.
When I emailed the guys at shine they told me most of their kits are made to order. And from the people I know who have bought from them fitment has been spot on. It is good to know that everything from them isn't always so great. I guess nothing can ever be super consistent. and by me saying shine auto isn't "cheap" I meant relative to most of the rep stuff you can get on ebay or amazon for sub $200 a bumper.
My mint blue spoiler is authentic and had perfect fitment. All it too was a little sanding before prime to get some of the waves out (like any fiberglass piece)
I was in a hurry to get the bumper so I did not go with the authentic since the only company who sold it was located in japan and I didn't have the whole summer to wait around for it.
You all can see my thread on the work that had to be done to make it fit right. It was time consuming but the work was quite simple. I didn't mind since I did all the work in a buddies garage and paid $0 for labor. Fitment on it wasn't terrible I've seen much worse.
And don't call me cheap. IMO, these don't even look as good as the stock aero piece.
There is not one thing I have cheaped out on in regards to my car.
When I emailed the guys at shine they told me most of their kits are made to order. And from the people I know who have bought from them fitment has been spot on. It is good to know that everything from them isn't always so great. I guess nothing can ever be super consistent. and by me saying shine auto isn't "cheap" I meant relative to most of the rep stuff you can get on ebay or amazon for sub $200 a bumper.
My mint blue spoiler is authentic and had perfect fitment. All it too was a little sanding before prime to get some of the waves out (like any fiberglass piece)
I was in a hurry to get the bumper so I did not go with the authentic since the only company who sold it was located in japan and I didn't have the whole summer to wait around for it.
You all can see my thread on the work that had to be done to make it fit right. It was time consuming but the work was quite simple. I didn't mind since I did all the work in a buddies garage and paid $0 for labor. Fitment on it wasn't terrible I've seen much worse.
And don't call me cheap. IMO, these don't even look as good as the stock aero piece.
There is not one thing I have cheaped out on in regards to my car.
08-16-2012, 08:24 PM
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It would cost you more to produce your own kit then to order and alter one like I did, I once thought about building my own kit, even designed it up and had people vote on it, but it would have still been at a loss to me unless I were to make and sell dozens.
https://www.rx8club.com/exterior-app...winter-175707/
https://www.rx8club.com/exterior-app...winter-175707/