JimW

Yes it was a bit juvenile, Just kidding about all that , although she would be pissed! Hey Omicron have you heard any more info on the stage 2 mod, details, release ect. I was hesitant on the Electric supercharger, especially after a few of the rotory experts were saying the stock seals and rotors wouldn't be able to take much boost if any at all. I suppose the stage 2 mod is our best bet and has the abilty to make more power than the last generation turbo RX7. Damit.... I cant wait!

epitrochoid

ive been ticketed for exhaust on those exact grounds..

but then again, i was in my civic and the cop was training a recruit.

Omicron

Nah, just giving you a hard time Jim. :D

No, I have not heard much more about the stage II mod, just that it's a bit more radical A/F tuning and involves some ignition advance. I also heard something about it needing to be tied directly into the car's baro sensor for people at high altitudes, like I am. Anyway, my guess would be that Maurice will have it out within the next couple of months, as it utilizes the same physical hardware as the Stage I only with different maps. I do know that Maurice said those of us with Stage I kits would be able to upgrade them to stage II for less than a complete "new" kit stage II kit would cost.

However, using the stage II means you pretty much must replace your cat, as with the new maps the exhaust temps get hot enough to fry the factory cat in short order. Canzoomer will be selling these cats too. My understanding is that they have been on test vehicles for a couple of months now with no problems.

My one concern with the stage II kit was something RX-8 Friend said a while back - that it runs your car much closer to the "ragged edge" of performance than most street vehicles run. To me, this equates to potentially decreased reliability of the car, and I don't know that I'm willing to risk that. That may have been just a casual comment from RX-8 friend, but as he was the closest thing to Maurice we had for a few weeks, I tend to think he knows what he is talking about.

Really, I personally need more info before I can decide. I would love to hear from Canzoomer himself as to the streetability of the Stage II mod.

strong bad

My roommate's been running his Cobra catless for at least a year. He hasn't had any trouble with cops...

Anyway, when I get enough money...I'm going with the mid pipe + Borla combo.

I wonder how much hp we could squeeze out of the 8 NA with CZ Stage 2, header (whenever someone comes out with one), exhaust, and intake..

Epitrochoid (clever username, btw), what year are you at UCF, and do you own an 8? Wondering if you've seen me around campus (Winning Blue).

JimW

Omicron, I just e-mailed Maurice about the stage 2 and about RX8 friends thread. If it's on edge as far as reliability, I agree and cant afford unwarranted repairs at this stage. According to Maurices dyno and barometer corrections with stage 1, this seems like more than enough power, "270 crank H.P. ", that sounds great! but if stage 2 is safe and pushes 300 than i'm all for it. As far as running a test pipe, I couldn't care about the law, but I'm environmentaly conscious, so I'll install the Random Tech cat, it shouldnt be that much of a power difference on N/A.

Omicron

My thoughts exactly, Jim.

portero23

JimW -
I guess "environmentally conscious" is a pretty vague term. Keeping the cat, but still driving around in a 14 mpg vehicle?

Yeah, I'm "environmentally conscious" too. I'm not going to get a Prius. I'm gonna get a 15mpg velocity red with the stage II ECU mod and a high temp cat... The lack of power and sex appeal were the only reasons I didn't choose a Prius. However, it looks as if high powered hybrid sports cars are closer than we think.

I can't wait to see how development comes along with the Mitsubishi Eclipse E-boost concept. 470 combined horses out of a hybrid vehicle sounds like we'll be seeing some pure hybrid sports cars pretty soon. Well, at least until hydrogen fuel cells start churning out 500 horses with nothing more than pure H20 dripping from the exhaust pipes.

Just my two cents.

-P23

P.S. Honda's coming out with a Hybrid Accord that get's four-banger mileage and V-6 power. I hope this isn't the trend. I hope the E-Boost concept gets 80 mpg. Too bad it's just wishful thinking. It'll probably get 25 mpg instead of 20 (numbers pulled out of my ***...) and still keep that lovely yellow haze hanging over Los Angeles.

JimW

portero23, I just want to make it clear that I'm not a Greenpeace Freak, but I do not think it's vague wanting to install a performance catylitic converter that will remove some harmful emissions that you otherwise wouldn't with a straightpipe. I understand that the Thermal Tech Cat will not pass EPA standards but at least it will remove or lower some elements. The MPG issue is due to Mazda switching the air/fuel to a richer setting so the emissions warranty wouldn't expire prematurely, of course when I bought the car I had no knowledge of this. Like you, I bought the car for it asthetic, funfactor and performance, so yes I much prefer it to any economycar or my former ULEV EXV6 Accord that was a lemon and repurchased by Honda due to(what else) emissions of hydrogen sulfide leaking into the car, so while it might have been cleaner for the outside, it was killing me inside! I do like the Hydrogen concept though.

JimW

Wait! I traded my RX8, the most excellent, beautiful, great handling, fun, best car I ever owned, for a golf cart............NOT!

Omicron

Ok Maurice, so how about an update on where you are with the Stage 2 development? And any word on what the upgrade price will be to go from stage 1 to stage 2? Thanks...

Jeff_pap31s

I suppose that the Stage 2 will work with a high flow cat? I wonder if anyone is going to come out with 1 soon?

Omicron

Stage 2 will require a (high flow) high temp cat, due to the increased exhaust temperatures from the advanced timing. CanZoomer is selling one (made by Random Technologies, which is probably also selling them) and other companies will have them out soon too. Check out www.canzoomer.com for CZ's pricing.

Jeff_pap31s

Thanks Omicron! I didn't see it there when I went to his site. I'll have to check again, then I can upgrade to stage 2! Sweet!

JimW

Any idea as to when stage 2 might be out? "Oh" never mind Omicron already asked that question, but it doesn't hurt to ask again!

JimW

"Yeah" come on down stage 2. I can't wait for you baby! I sweat at night with anticipation and dreams about high speed and fast corners. And then I woke up!

Sanguine_Dark

anxiously waiting for stage II........please please please..any updates?

cockdiesel

Hmm...call me uneducated but I have to ask. Why are the stage 2 and stage 3 labeled as for off road use only if Canzoomer if offering high flow cat's ? I thought the reason they would be off road only was because they required the cat to be removed due to heat? If you have a high heat cat, wouldn't it be street legal?

Gord96BRG

It depends where, but the safe answer is NO. In California, for example, replacing the cat is a definite no-no, and unless the modifications are CARB approved they are not street legal, even if they meet all tailpipe requirements. The CARB (California Air Resources Board) approval process can be very (very) expensive, so for a small vendor the only way to market their products is to declare them for off-road use only.

Regards,
Gordon

JimW

Hemmm! I guess stage 2 is on the way out. Any final details about it such as power gains and relocation of the coil packs if needed, also I can't view Maurice's price sheet on his sight for some reason. Thanks

smrx8

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does stage 2 have the off switch?