Notices
Series I Engine Tuning Forum EMS (Flash Tuning, Interceptor, Piggy Back, Stand Alone)

Mazdaedit

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 06-04-2014, 07:41 PM
  #726  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,720
Received 2,007 Likes on 1,636 Posts
Even if you passed through that load range it would be literally nothing for the time frame involved. If you want extra oil at cranking Mazda added that feature in a past pcm update.
Old 06-04-2014, 07:45 PM
  #727  
Registered
 
Phil Bate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: South Wales, UK
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
has anyone even logged a start up?


Yeh plenty, it's nothing exciting. You don't see loads that low however:


Mazdaedit-start_log.jpg




Maybe under deceleration, but why there

Last edited by Phil Bate; 06-08-2014 at 11:43 AM.
Old 06-05-2014, 03:36 AM
  #728  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,720
Received 2,007 Likes on 1,636 Posts
There's a response time factor involved too. The OMP cannot magically jump from step 4 to step 31 instantaneously ...
Old 06-05-2014, 04:08 AM
  #729  
Boosted Kiwi
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,523
Received 1,491 Likes on 839 Posts
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
it's ignorant on several levels, starting with placing it in the wrong load range
There you go again ............ calling out people without offering any kind of explanation yourself .

Calling my comment "ignorant" when i said it was my "guess" is sounding like you just wanted to fire a random shot at me for the sake of it.

My suggestion is perfectly plausible but, yes , the load at idle is higher. I can't be sure what tables the ecu is referencing at startup though, hence the "guess" .

What IS your explanation BTW?

Last edited by Brettus; 06-05-2014 at 12:52 PM.
Old 06-05-2014, 11:28 AM
  #730  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
I wondered how does the logging function in ME works.

I assume I have to use the Mazda Can Logger ? cuz Mazda Can Gen 2 Logger always disconnect on its own

Ok fine I tried Mazda Can Logger, connected, play around with it for 15 minutes, can't seem to get it to log anything? nothing is showing on the page ? hmmmmmmm

Did I miss anything ? gonna try it again tomorrow (my time)
Old 06-05-2014, 11:57 AM
  #731  
Boosted Kiwi
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,523
Received 1,491 Likes on 839 Posts
Originally Posted by nycgps
I wondered how does the logging function in ME works.

I assume I have to use the Mazda Can Logger ? cuz Mazda Can Gen 2 Logger always disconnect on its own

Ok fine I tried Mazda Can Logger, connected, play around with it for 15 minutes, can't seem to get it to log anything? nothing is showing on the page ? hmmmmmmm

Did I miss anything ? gonna try it again tomorrow (my time)
Did you press INS on the keyboard to start and stop the log ?
Old 06-05-2014, 01:33 PM
  #732  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
Side note ... not that I am advocating anything, but just to put it out there in hopes to prevent many questions ... I was able to pass emissions in my state w/ a ME tune. Purely an OBD2 test, no sniffer, but as far as an OBD2 test is concerned, i can validate that the disabling of certain things works just fine.
The following users liked this post:
Gat1in (06-06-2018)
Old 06-05-2014, 05:26 PM
  #733  
Hybrid Greddy Boosted
 
JimmyBlack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: New Zealand
Posts: 475
Received 30 Likes on 25 Posts
Originally Posted by nycgps
I wondered how does the logging function in ME works.

I assume I have to use the Mazda Can Logger ? cuz Mazda Can Gen 2 Logger always disconnect on its own

Ok fine I tried Mazda Can Logger, connected, play around with it for 15 minutes, can't seem to get it to log anything? nothing is showing on the page ? hmmmmmmm

Did I miss anything ? gonna try it again tomorrow (my time)
Do you see any parameters available on the left of the screen once you're connected? Check our Demo Mode - it should look something like that.


If you're correctly connected to ECU you should be getting live updates on all parameters on the left. I.e. they change as you watch them.


You can set up your Dashboards at this point, and like Brettus says, select Log Data To File (Ins), or if you find it easier, just save the full session once you've been for your drive and then carve up the log later.
Old 06-05-2014, 05:55 PM
  #734  
Registered
 
Phil Bate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: South Wales, UK
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I just use the Openport in standalone mode, saves having a laptop hooked up
Old 06-07-2014, 08:46 PM
  #735  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Brettus
Did you press INS on the keyboard to start and stop the log ?
Originally Posted by JimmyBlack
Do you see any parameters available on the left of the screen once you're connected? Check our Demo Mode - it should look something like that.


If you're correctly connected to ECU you should be getting live updates on all parameters on the left. I.e. they change as you watch them.


You can set up your Dashboards at this point, and like Brettus says, select Log Data To File (Ins), or if you find it easier, just save the full session once you've been for your drive and then carve up the log later.
I did (the ins) and log to file, but nothing seems to be happening.

I then switch to OBD mode, mostly work, but as you guys know there is not much I can "see" at OBD mode

Im gonna try it again tomorrow. it's weird.

Last edited by nycgps; 06-07-2014 at 08:58 PM.
Old 06-07-2014, 11:28 PM
  #736  
Boosted Kiwi
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,523
Received 1,491 Likes on 839 Posts
Originally Posted by nycgps
I did (the ins) and log to file, but nothing seems to be happening.

I then switch to OBD mode, mostly work, but as you guys know there is not much I can "see" at OBD mode

Im gonna try it again tomorrow. it's weird.
Did you get a "ding" noise and a green line appear at bottom of screen ? If not , you aren't logging !
Old 06-08-2014, 02:31 AM
  #737  
No respecter of malarkey
iTrader: (25)
 
TeamRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,720
Received 2,007 Likes on 1,636 Posts
Originally Posted by Brettus
There you go again ............ calling out people without offering any kind of explanation yourself .

Calling my comment "ignorant" when i said it was my "guess" is sounding like you just wanted to fire a random shot at me for the sake of it.

My suggestion is perfectly plausible but, yes , the load at idle is higher. I can't be sure what tables the ecu is referencing at startup though, hence the "guess" .

What IS your explanation BTW?
you mean the other two responses ahead of yours that you failed to acknowledge:

Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Even if you passed through that load range it would be literally nothing for the time frame involved. If you want extra oil at cranking Mazda added that feature in a past pcm update.
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
There's a response time factor involved too. The OMP cannot magically jump from step 4 to step 31 instantaneously ...



I'll call you out for a knee-jerk response too since you clear didn't read what followed ...



.
Old 06-08-2014, 06:33 AM
  #738  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Brettus
Did you get a "ding" noise and a green line appear at bottom of screen ? If not , you aren't logging !
it is green

I need to get this to work, gonna go back tomo for more testing
Old 06-08-2014, 03:14 PM
  #739  
Boosted Kiwi
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,523
Received 1,491 Likes on 839 Posts
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
you mean the other two responses ahead of yours that you failed to acknowledge:

.
Neither of which were an explanation to the original question .............

Last edited by Brettus; 06-08-2014 at 03:44 PM.
Old 06-09-2014, 02:27 AM
  #740  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Ok, logger

OBD Logger, seems to be working fine, but this is not enough data, so move on.


but if I pick this, the 2nd option ,rx8.xml


nothing happens no matter what I do,can't log anything


but if I pick the first option in the 2nd pic (mps.xml), and pick this option during ECU selection, things seems to be ok.



Is this the right way to do it ?

Pick Mazda Logger --> first option --> Select RX-8

if so, wtf is the rx8 xml thing on the first option's "rx8.xml" ?
Attached Thumbnails Mazdaedit-dsc_1062.jpg   Mazdaedit-dsc_1061.jpg   Mazdaedit-dsc_1060.jpg   Mazdaedit-dsc_1063.jpg  

Last edited by nycgps; 06-09-2014 at 02:36 AM.
Old 06-09-2014, 02:33 AM
  #741  
Boosted Kiwi
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Brettus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Y-cat-o NZ
Posts: 20,523
Received 1,491 Likes on 839 Posts
'Mazda Can' is a better choice .... you get more of the parameters you need with that selection.
Old 06-11-2014, 09:23 PM
  #742  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
I just sent Epifan a message about S2 fan speed issue, I told him how it works, sent a graph, and I think he is working on it.

and the RPM limiter thing, that's not the actual rpm limiter, more like a Warm Up RPM Limiter, correct ?
Old 06-11-2014, 09:50 PM
  #743  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
Its funny I never really connected the dots but you are right, only 2 entries for fan speed on the S2 maps. Glad you caught this, It was one of the first changes we made to my map and I assumed it worked.
Old 06-11-2014, 10:32 PM
  #744  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Originally Posted by paimon.soror
Its funny I never really connected the dots but you are right, only 2 entries for fan speed on the S2 maps. Glad you caught this, It was one of the first changes we made to my map and I assumed it worked.
it didn't work at all, at least on the JDM that I've tried, Fan speed still kicks on @ the default temp, I was monitoring it with IDS and noticed the mod didn't change anything.

I posted here long time ago, but no one seems to have an answer, then ... I forgot about it until yesterday, I was checking the S2 maps again and I was like "uhhhhh, forgot about the fan issue

then I just screen shot the Service highlights of how the fan system works and sent it to epifan, I think he is working on it because he usually reply fast to me (cuz we are in the same/close time zone I think), but not this time. 12 hours already no reply. I hope he is working on it.

Oh btw, have you guys figured out how the S2's E-MOP system works? it does not uses a 60 steps stepper motor anymore and the numbers are in thousands. I wonder if that's the right map. what did u guys do to those maps ?

blah blah blah yeah I know this is S1 section, WTF who cares. this thread gets more attention and we're talking about the same software,

Last edited by nycgps; 06-11-2014 at 10:34 PM.
Old 06-12-2014, 07:13 AM
  #745  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by nycgps
Oh btw, have you guys figured out how the S2's E-MOP system works? it does not uses a 60 steps stepper motor anymore and the numbers are in thousands. I wonder if that's the right map. what did u guys do to those maps ?
I'm not sure if the pic i posted is in this thread or the S2 thread, but yea the numbers for the OMP are for sure different than the S1. I dont recall seeing any of my numbers in the thousands but close to it for sure once I increased the rate by 30% (this is what Kane does on his tunes). Only way I can think of testing it to see if it works is to increase the number so much that you start blue smoking idle lol
Old 06-12-2014, 07:37 AM
  #746  
Illudium Q-36 Space Moderator
iTrader: (1)
 
Kane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: PCB
Posts: 6,364
Received 41 Likes on 31 Posts
Yep - the blue smoke at idle is about the best way to test for too much oil.
Old 06-12-2014, 07:39 AM
  #747  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
just sent you a pm to direct you to the Fan on discussion here for your own FYI

great minds...
Old 06-12-2014, 04:19 PM
  #748  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
NYC;

If epifan gets back to you with a (possible) fix for the fan issue, can you ask him what the map was originally pointing to. Would be nice to know that we didn't go off changing some random parameter lol.
Old 06-12-2014, 07:51 PM
  #749  
Out of NYC
iTrader: (1)
 
nycgps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 19,881
Received 32 Likes on 30 Posts
Originally Posted by paimon.soror
NYC;

If epifan gets back to you with a (possible) fix for the fan issue, can you ask him what the map was originally pointing to. Would be nice to know that we didn't go off changing some random parameter lol.
Just got a reply from epifan

So, you said that nothing happens when you changed this maps? I don't see any other fan related maps
Well I just said yes nothing happens, at least on the jdm model that I've tried, will try to get a log again this weekend and see what happens.

I wonder if VersaTuner is the same ?

and about the "RPM Limiter"

I asked : "it seems that limiter should be a "Warm Up RPM Limiter" more than an actual RPM Limiter."

Yes, it is "Warm UP Rev limiter"

What is real Rev limiter on this car?
which I told him 9000 rpm.

Seems like there is a lot of work needs to be done with the S2 maps.

Last edited by nycgps; 06-12-2014 at 08:00 PM.
Old 06-12-2014, 08:07 PM
  #750  
Registered
iTrader: (15)
 
paimon.soror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Between Cones
Posts: 7,560
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
Interesting, thanks for opening communication with him. I do know that the very basics work, i.e. the ignition timing, maf scaling, afrs, and VE tables.

I have had some trouble getting a hold of him in the past, probably because I only have the personal version, but if he needs anything tested he is more than welcome to share and i can report back my findings.


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Mazdaedit



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:10 PM.