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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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of course....
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
You may end with some black smoke; keep an eye on it.
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yeah, i was gonna say: +25% seems a bit, well, excessive.

looking forward to seeing some other's published results ...
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:09 PM
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my load based omp map.



also, i had to extend the map to the what the 05 tables require..



all look well?

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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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You'll have to see; you may smoke at idle.....I run 3's down low and bump up the throttle based map personally; but you'll have to monitor your oil consumption to decide.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
You'll have to see; you may smoke at idle.....I run 3's down low and bump up the throttle based map personally; but you'll have to monitor your oil consumption to decide.
Kane, what does your throttle base omp map look like?

because even the stock map has it pegged at step 23 at idle...
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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I don't have it on this laptop since I'm traveling - but mine and Jcabs are pretty close; and I burn almost exactly a quart a month.

I also premix to be safe.

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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
I don't have it on this laptop since I'm traveling - but mine and Jcabs are pretty close; and I burn almost exactly a quart a month.

I also premix to be safe.
Ah, yep more or less where I'm at.
I see you also bump it up more dramatically after 5,500 RPM.
I also premix ~6oz Idemitsu.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 11:59 PM
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So does it make sense that the OMP is at Step 23 at idle?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:09 AM
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Is the Bank 2 injector size in the Accesstuner the Secondary injectors?

Do I need to set these injector latency for the injectors after inputing the size? or is that onl for aftermarket injectors?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
Is the Bank 2 injector size in the Accesstuner the Secondary injectors?

YES


Do I need to set these injector latency for the injectors after inputing the size? or is that onl for aftermarket injectors?
You should - but if you don't know it then you may want to leave it alone unless you get some lean spots when the injectors come on - keep in mind the latency for the secondaries and the P2's is the same table; so if you are running different injectors you are going ot have to find a happy medium.
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Old Nov 12, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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Quick question for this thread - I'm using the Cobb stage 1 map, and it is a little lean under most conditions (14-15), and I don't mind it for now.

However, when I let off the throttle at higher speeds, the AFR zooms to 21.8 (max). Is that normal? I assume it's normal since I'm not pushing any gas, but I'd like to check with you guys first.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?
this makes no sense to me. why would you change those? if anything, you'd be making the ecu take longer to start reading your values. .13 is 13percent load, .15 is 15 percent load. etc.

rt shouldn't even let you change those, really.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JinDesu
Quick question for this thread - I'm using the Cobb stage 1 map, and it is a little lean under most conditions (14-15), and I don't mind it for now.

However, when I let off the throttle at higher speeds, the AFR zooms to 21.8 (max). Is that normal? I assume it's normal since I'm not pushing any gas, but I'd like to check with you guys first.
that's fine. no fuel means all you have is air. afr is air to fuel ratio.

14 -15 on the stage 1 seems a bit too lean though. post your logs.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
I want to ask the FI guys What do your Calc load limiter maps look like?
Are you all just setting maximum values in the upper rpm regions?

Also when adjusting the calculated load under the fuel maps and such are you all also adjusting (rasing) the calculated load scale?

for ex instead of starting from .13, are you all setting it from .15 and adjusting in increments?
Calc load limit is either (scaled if you wanna do the math) or set 'em all to 2

Load in the fuel and timing maps - need to scale from 0 to 200% For me it is 10-20-30-40-50-60-70....190-200
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 01:23 PM
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Alright so using some of Chases fueling and some of my own edits Im running mid 12's at WOT. LTFT at 7 and STFT deviating from -1-1.

What I would like to work on next are the cruising afr's. I notice when I keep the car above 4400 rpm's for a while and loops change it goes rich into the low 13,s and high 12's... what do I edit to get that leaner for cruising situations?
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by myriadshalaks
that's fine. no fuel means all you have is air. afr is air to fuel ratio.

14 -15 on the stage 1 seems a bit too lean though. post your logs.
Here are my logs.

log1 - The first of my logs, it's basically at idle
log6 - A bit at idle, then a bit under drive. I didn't push the car past 6k on this one I believe
log10 - I did this one today, with the intention of reaching 8k rpm.

If there's a certain way I should have done the logs, please let me know. Also, if you need to see my fuel maps, I can SS or copy them for you. It is the Cobb stage 1 map though.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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those are useless.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Roger, is there a specific procedure I am supposed to do for logs?

I was going to do the MAF scaling based on Kane's thread.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 04:21 PM
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well, for this purpose, just floor it.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by alz0rz
Alright so using some of Chases fueling and some of my own edits Im running mid 12's at WOT. LTFT at 7 and STFT deviating from -1-1.

What I would like to work on next are the cruising afr's. I notice when I keep the car above 4400 rpm's for a while and loops change it goes rich into the low 13,s and high 12's... what do I edit to get that leaner for cruising situations?
my solution here has been to keep the rpms below 4200 when cruising.

but that does limit your top cruising speed.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by myriadshalaks
well, for this purpose, just floor it.
Will do. I thought I just had to reach the max RPM i could reach, which is around 8100, 8200. Fortunately, the AFR drops to around 12 at that rpm.

I'm seeing the patterns between the maps and the resultant values. Is 14-15 afr that bad for idle to low load in a NA engine? I plan to get tuning from MM in spring, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can in the mean time.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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look at the map, it's set for 14.7 for those light loads.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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Yep, and I'm pretty much at 14.7 most of the time, sometimes at 15. That's why I was confused when you were saying it's too lean.
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 09:28 PM
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figured you were talking about wot.
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