DIY: "Start Engine" button...
10-28-2006, 12:17 AM
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Why immobilizer key?
i shouldn't need to put a key in there for the immobilizer as i have the key FOB already...just need to still carry the key with me right?
also i am looking at using a 3 position rocker switch (off, acc, run) and the actual momentary start button.
also i am looking at using a 3 position rocker switch (off, acc, run) and the actual momentary start button.
10-28-2006, 01:25 AM
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i shouldn't need to put a key in there for the immobilizer as i have the key FOB already...just need to still carry the key with me right?
also i am looking at using a 3 position rocker switch (off, acc, run) and the actual momentary start button.
also i am looking at using a 3 position rocker switch (off, acc, run) and the actual momentary start button.
If it is an 04 or 05 you will need to still use the key to the run position and use the start button to start the car.
The key also unlocks the steering wheel.
11-08-2006, 01:18 AM
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11-15-2006, 05:12 PM
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Start button back from the dead
I keep bringing this back from the dead cause my service guys cant tell me if its doable or not. Re-cap: '06 Shinka.. i have the keyless ignition (key card). I want to know if its possible to to avoid using/touching the ignition **** at all. What i want is a rocker for Off/ACC/On and the start button, as this will allow me to start and shutdown the motor W/O touching the steering colum. The 2 BIG things I'm not getting or concerned about are:
1. Why would i still need to "get the key into the ignition then since the radio frequency has short range" ??? I dont put the key in the ignition already, its keyless, and i can start my car with the key card in the backseat.
2. Whats with the immobilizer? Why would i need to get a universal thing to bypass it? I'm not changing anything but the wiring location from which the ignition is connected, right? I would assume my immob. works off the key card radio signals like the ignition?
Last question.... 4 years to supercharge made a good point... what about steering wheel lock? if i CAN/DO rewire(actually just tap in) the ignition to a rocker/rockers switch, will that still unlock my steering wheel?
I want to do this really badly, but am not willing to go at it, just to see if it can work.. I am SURE i cant be the only one who has thought of/wanted/tried to completely bypass the "start ****"
1. Why would i still need to "get the key into the ignition then since the radio frequency has short range" ??? I dont put the key in the ignition already, its keyless, and i can start my car with the key card in the backseat.
2. Whats with the immobilizer? Why would i need to get a universal thing to bypass it? I'm not changing anything but the wiring location from which the ignition is connected, right? I would assume my immob. works off the key card radio signals like the ignition?
Last question.... 4 years to supercharge made a good point... what about steering wheel lock? if i CAN/DO rewire(actually just tap in) the ignition to a rocker/rockers switch, will that still unlock my steering wheel?
I want to do this really badly, but am not willing to go at it, just to see if it can work.. I am SURE i cant be the only one who has thought of/wanted/tried to completely bypass the "start ****"
11-15-2006, 05:24 PM
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The steering wheel lock is mechanical. 
You can do the start button and will only have to tap into the ignition wires, the system disables if the fob is not in the car.
What you will have to do is start the car with the start button and then turn the ignition to the run position to disable the steering wheel lock and keep it running.
If you want to do a remote start you will have to do a relayed bypass for the Transponder system. Pretty sure that is the type of starter kill system that is stock.
Then the same thing you will need to turn the "key" to the run position before stepping on the brake. Otherwise the car will shutoff.
You can do the start button and will only have to tap into the ignition wires, the system disables if the fob is not in the car.
What you will have to do is start the car with the start button and then turn the ignition to the run position to disable the steering wheel lock and keep it running.
If you want to do a remote start you will have to do a relayed bypass for the Transponder system. Pretty sure that is the type of starter kill system that is stock.
Then the same thing you will need to turn the "key" to the run position before stepping on the brake. Otherwise the car will shutoff.
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11-15-2006, 10:04 PM
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I dont know how the keyless is on the 06 shinkas.. you never have to put a key in? just turn a plastic ****? that **** may either mechanically (probably) or electrically unlock the steering wheel. if electrically you can most likely bypass it.. if mechanical you would need to turn the **** to get the wheel to move. i was almost certain that a started car will still have the wheel locked even with it on until the key was inserted or the ignition **** turned.
11-15-2006, 11:40 PM
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The only way I would hook it up would be using the fob in your pocket and not bypassing the security for the car. What does that do for the start button, well it would function but be mostly for looks or preference. Like I said the ignition would still need to be turned to the run position before applying the brake (which would stop the brain for the start button).
Are you looking to do the remote start also or the start button?
Are you looking to do the remote start also or the start button?
11-22-2006, 09:58 AM
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ok the steering lock on mine IS electronic, as i can push my '****' in and i here it click unlocked, but if i hold it there for more than about 10 seconds without turning the '****' foreward it clicks again and steering wheel is locked again. Irfan, yes you are right, i have a plastic '****' that i turn, it can snap off in case of backup key use. mot looking for remote start, or to bypass any security built in other than steering lock, i will still cary my key in my pocket, just a preference to have it done this way
12-28-2006, 06:06 AM
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bumpity bump bump...
still havent been able to talk to mazda mechanics, but i am looking to find a way to use rocker switch(s) and the start button to completely bypass the ignition ****. ie.. flip a rocker to the ACC position, flip another to ON, push start button... flip rockers to shut down. I have the '06 shinka with the keycard, i dont have to put a key in the ignition, only turn the ****.. i'd like to keep it keyless and have the security of still having to have the keycard inside the vehicle for the rockers to work.... any ideas anyone?
still havent been able to talk to mazda mechanics, but i am looking to find a way to use rocker switch(s) and the start button to completely bypass the ignition ****. ie.. flip a rocker to the ACC position, flip another to ON, push start button... flip rockers to shut down. I have the '06 shinka with the keycard, i dont have to put a key in the ignition, only turn the ****.. i'd like to keep it keyless and have the security of still having to have the keycard inside the vehicle for the rockers to work.... any ideas anyone?
12-28-2006, 10:05 AM
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So I read this thread a couple months ago and have been thinking since how to work this out with a switch just as you are talking Paulmasoner. The past few days I finally got serious and looked into this a lot more. I have figured it out in my head every part except for the rfid in my key. I have an 04 so I don't have the keycard, sadly. That would make it easier.
Now I haven't actually pulled off the console around the steering wheel, which is why I say I have figured it out in my head. If we can get to the wires coming directly off the ignition switch then theoretically this would work. From a pic posted early in the thread it seems we can.
I have been thinking about using more then one switch rather then one multi position switch but it is the same method. There would be a switch for ACC and one for ON. Then the start button.
For the 06 you don't need to worry about having the key in the system as we do for the 04 so this should work for you.
The diagram I have attached is one posted earlier and I am not positive where it came from. Hopefully it is correct but if not you will still get the idea.
Looking at this diagram more, I think there should be 3 switches. Since 'E' and 'F' go to seperate things in the ON and START positions I don't think they should be tied together as I don't know how that would effect the car.
When I say connect I mean they should be attached to the wire rather than the wire being cut, and the switch going between each end. (these will be parallel circuits) This way you will be able to use either the **** or the switch/button.
The first switch is for the ACC:
Switch 1:
One wire connects to 'E'
Second wire connects to 'D'
When this switch is flipped on, you would have power to all of your accesories just as you would if the key is turned to ACC. You would NOT need this switch on when starting or running the car.
The next two switches are for ON:
Switch 2:
One wire connects to 'E'
Second wire connects to both 'D' and 'C'
Switch 3:
One wire connects to 'F'
Second wire connects to 'B'
When both of these switches are on, the car would be on and ready to be started. Both of these would need to be on when starting or running the car. Flipping both of these off is how you would turn off the car.
Start Button:
One wire connects to 'F'
Second wire connects to 'A'
When this button is pressed it will send power through to the starter and start the car as long as both ignition switches are on.
If you are looking at the diagram and wondering what about the 'E' to 'C' connection in the start position, I don't think it is significant. The reason I say that is because the Switch 2 would keep that connection. Since people have done a starter button with the key to the ON position it would be the same thing.
The only other requirement to this setup is having the keycard in the car for the 06. Nothing should need to be changed or wired with regards to that system.
The problem I am running into with my 04 is the rfid chip in my key. It can only be read when it is close to the sensor which is wrapped around the key slot. I found a Immoblizer system bypass made by DEI that someone mentioned before and that would work, but it still requires me to leave a key in the car and screw over my security.
For those who don't know, basically your key goes in a box that has a reciever for the chip in the key. The box then gets tied into the wire that connects the antenna around the key hole, to the actually system. When power is supplied to the box, it picks up the id from the key and sends it to the immobilizar just as the antenna would. In a remote start setup, power you be supplied briefly just to get the car started. For the 04 guys, we could use a switch in between the box and a power source (lighter, etc.) to supply it power and have the id sent to the immobilizar. but the problem is once again, then you have half your security sitting on a switch. It would be basically the same as leaving a key zip-tied to your console. Someone just needs to flip the switches and hit the start button.
Sorry for the rather long length of this post, this is the first time I have typed all this stuff out so I hope it isn't to confusing and it works for you guys. If you have any recommendations for the key issue please let me know. I have been researching the smart keys to see if there is any way to get one installed, or a simple version of those that I could use to power the box with the key in it as opposed to just a switch.
Now I haven't actually pulled off the console around the steering wheel, which is why I say I have figured it out in my head. If we can get to the wires coming directly off the ignition switch then theoretically this would work. From a pic posted early in the thread it seems we can.
I have been thinking about using more then one switch rather then one multi position switch but it is the same method. There would be a switch for ACC and one for ON. Then the start button.
For the 06 you don't need to worry about having the key in the system as we do for the 04 so this should work for you.
The diagram I have attached is one posted earlier and I am not positive where it came from. Hopefully it is correct but if not you will still get the idea.
Looking at this diagram more, I think there should be 3 switches. Since 'E' and 'F' go to seperate things in the ON and START positions I don't think they should be tied together as I don't know how that would effect the car.
When I say connect I mean they should be attached to the wire rather than the wire being cut, and the switch going between each end. (these will be parallel circuits) This way you will be able to use either the **** or the switch/button.
The first switch is for the ACC:
Switch 1:
One wire connects to 'E'
Second wire connects to 'D'
When this switch is flipped on, you would have power to all of your accesories just as you would if the key is turned to ACC. You would NOT need this switch on when starting or running the car.
The next two switches are for ON:
Switch 2:
One wire connects to 'E'
Second wire connects to both 'D' and 'C'
Switch 3:
One wire connects to 'F'
Second wire connects to 'B'
When both of these switches are on, the car would be on and ready to be started. Both of these would need to be on when starting or running the car. Flipping both of these off is how you would turn off the car.
Start Button:
One wire connects to 'F'
Second wire connects to 'A'
When this button is pressed it will send power through to the starter and start the car as long as both ignition switches are on.
If you are looking at the diagram and wondering what about the 'E' to 'C' connection in the start position, I don't think it is significant. The reason I say that is because the Switch 2 would keep that connection. Since people have done a starter button with the key to the ON position it would be the same thing.
The only other requirement to this setup is having the keycard in the car for the 06. Nothing should need to be changed or wired with regards to that system.
The problem I am running into with my 04 is the rfid chip in my key. It can only be read when it is close to the sensor which is wrapped around the key slot. I found a Immoblizer system bypass made by DEI that someone mentioned before and that would work, but it still requires me to leave a key in the car and screw over my security.
For those who don't know, basically your key goes in a box that has a reciever for the chip in the key. The box then gets tied into the wire that connects the antenna around the key hole, to the actually system. When power is supplied to the box, it picks up the id from the key and sends it to the immobilizar just as the antenna would. In a remote start setup, power you be supplied briefly just to get the car started. For the 04 guys, we could use a switch in between the box and a power source (lighter, etc.) to supply it power and have the id sent to the immobilizar. but the problem is once again, then you have half your security sitting on a switch. It would be basically the same as leaving a key zip-tied to your console. Someone just needs to flip the switches and hit the start button.
Sorry for the rather long length of this post, this is the first time I have typed all this stuff out so I hope it isn't to confusing and it works for you guys. If you have any recommendations for the key issue please let me know. I have been researching the smart keys to see if there is any way to get one installed, or a simple version of those that I could use to power the box with the key in it as opposed to just a switch.
12-29-2006, 02:04 PM
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Aero8, Thanks for the great read, this cleared up some of the minorissues of wiring i had thought of... I was also more recently considering 2 switches, much like we have in the fire trucks i drive OFF/ACC and OFF/ON
4 years to supercharge... no. if i dont have they key within a couple feet of the door, it wont unlock with the little black button on the handle, similarly, if the key card isnt inside, or even if its too far away ie trunk, or back seat.... then the "****" will not turn..... i have realized, that when i sit down, and push the "****" directly into the steering column, i can hear a small click sound.... if i do not turn the "****" to at least the ON position within a few(10 or so) seconds, it clicks back, and "****" is once again locked, as if the key card wasnt there. this doesnt require me to get out, and back in, only to re-depress the "****" when i crank.
I still am trying to schedule with one of the mechanics who was kind enough to offer to get out their books, and look it over with me for ideas... until then, your guys help is MUCH appreciated, thank you all
4 years to supercharge... no. if i dont have they key within a couple feet of the door, it wont unlock with the little black button on the handle, similarly, if the key card isnt inside, or even if its too far away ie trunk, or back seat.... then the "****" will not turn..... i have realized, that when i sit down, and push the "****" directly into the steering column, i can hear a small click sound.... if i do not turn the "****" to at least the ON position within a few(10 or so) seconds, it clicks back, and "****" is once again locked, as if the key card wasnt there. this doesnt require me to get out, and back in, only to re-depress the "****" when i crank.
I still am trying to schedule with one of the mechanics who was kind enough to offer to get out their books, and look it over with me for ideas... until then, your guys help is MUCH appreciated, thank you all
12-29-2006, 03:22 PM
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Paulmasoner, you're welcome.
I pulled of the console yesterday and very briefly looked at the ignition switch wiring. It will be slightly awkward to work with but at least I can get to it. I will hopefully be working on this this weekend. I am trying to get the bypass but that may not happen until next week. My goal is to at least get the switches and button wired so that if anything all I would need to do is put the key in the slot until I can get the immobilizer bypass installed. I have thoght of a few places for the switch for the bypass that are still easily accessible but not completely obvious, I will update if have a chance to get anything done.
I pulled of the console yesterday and very briefly looked at the ignition switch wiring. It will be slightly awkward to work with but at least I can get to it. I will hopefully be working on this this weekend. I am trying to get the bypass but that may not happen until next week. My goal is to at least get the switches and button wired so that if anything all I would need to do is put the key in the slot until I can get the immobilizer bypass installed. I have thoght of a few places for the switch for the bypass that are still easily accessible but not completely obvious, I will update if have a chance to get anything done.
12-29-2006, 06:23 PM
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Sounds good... there is another thread somewhere that discusses places to put the immobilizer bypass box. A thread about remote start if i remember correctly. If I come across it I'll point you that direction, perhaps it will spark ideas for you.
12-31-2006, 09:45 AM
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thanks that'd be great if you find it, i may search a little larter. I am going to pepboys to find some switches and I have a bid in for the DEI unit on ebay, should have one later in the week.
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Alright...Finally had a chance to get some work done. I will try to post pics tomorrow.
Sadly, my key still has to be in the ignition. #$@%$
Done with the rant for now...so here is what I did:
Just as described above, I used three switches, one for ACC and two for ON. do to limited supplies I have a momentary switch for the starter rather than a button. All are mounted inside the ashtray casing (try is removed, along with the lighter. Rather then trying to describe how the switches are aligned I will post pics tomorrow or early this week.
Current problems:
I still have not recieved the immobilizar bypass therefore the key is still required to be in or in front of the ignition when starting the vehicle.
I have determined that the steering wheel lock on my 04 seems to be mechanical. this is where the $#@%$@ comes in to play.
So here is what I know:
I can flip the ACC switch on, and the accesories work as they should.
For the Immobilizar (transponder in key thing)...Before I flip the switches that correspond to ON, I have to have the key sitting in or held right in front of the key hole. After I flip the switches and the key symbol goes away I can take the key away and the car will run fine.
That means that when I get the immobilizar bypass the that part of it will be set.
The only thing I will be looking into (hopefully tomorrow) will be the sterring wheel lock. currently, to unlock the wheel I need to insert the Key and turn it to ACC, I can the turn the key back to lock and the steering wheel will stay unlocked. as soon as I remove the key I hear the lock fall and once the steering wheel is turned counter clockwise some, it locks. So I will be trying to figure out how it actually locks the wheel and if I can remove that part of it, we shall see. I will update with pics eventually.
Sadly, my key still has to be in the ignition. #$@%$
Done with the rant for now...so here is what I did:
Just as described above, I used three switches, one for ACC and two for ON. do to limited supplies I have a momentary switch for the starter rather than a button. All are mounted inside the ashtray casing (try is removed, along with the lighter. Rather then trying to describe how the switches are aligned I will post pics tomorrow or early this week.
Current problems:
I still have not recieved the immobilizar bypass therefore the key is still required to be in or in front of the ignition when starting the vehicle.
I have determined that the steering wheel lock on my 04 seems to be mechanical. this is where the $#@%$@ comes in to play.
So here is what I know:
I can flip the ACC switch on, and the accesories work as they should.
For the Immobilizar (transponder in key thing)...Before I flip the switches that correspond to ON, I have to have the key sitting in or held right in front of the key hole. After I flip the switches and the key symbol goes away I can take the key away and the car will run fine.
That means that when I get the immobilizar bypass the that part of it will be set.
The only thing I will be looking into (hopefully tomorrow) will be the sterring wheel lock. currently, to unlock the wheel I need to insert the Key and turn it to ACC, I can the turn the key back to lock and the steering wheel will stay unlocked. as soon as I remove the key I hear the lock fall and once the steering wheel is turned counter clockwise some, it locks. So I will be trying to figure out how it actually locks the wheel and if I can remove that part of it, we shall see. I will update with pics eventually.
01-20-2007, 09:23 AM
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Sorry for the lack of updates, I got sick and it knocked me out for a few days and haven't had a chance to get back to it. I got the immobilizar bypass, but it didn't come with the antenna ring so now I am trying to get that also. I still haven't lokked into the steering wheel lock either...yeah definately a lack of updates...eventually something will happen with it.
01-20-2007, 05:05 PM
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I am off work for the next few days, and I am goig to try to pull my steering column shroud away and take a look at the steering lock. It will probably take a few sessions of me looking at it and thinking to even figure out how it works, lol. But thats my BIG hang up with the key card i think
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i still havent pulled my wheel apart to look at the lock, i got hit in a parking lot a bit back and my car is still being repaired. 
anyway, when i get it back, i will immediately be ordering the start button and a couple rocker/toggle switches. as they are being shipped i will get to checking out the locking mechanism on my ignition. there WILL be a way around it, even if it is mechanical. At this point i am waiting to get the car back, and trying to find the switches that i want. i have seen a few that i like on here before but am having trouble finding them now. If anyone knows where they are at it would be great! I particularly liked the one i saw that looked like it "belonged" in the blanks next to the DSC/TCS button.
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Found the switch i want, or pics of it at least...
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...r+panel+switch
The rocker panel switch in the pic is something very much like what i want. I pm'd the user about where to find ones like it. But anyone else who can chime in would be appreciated.
The rocker panel switch in the pic is something very much like what i want. I pm'd the user about where to find ones like it. But anyone else who can chime in would be appreciated.
02-05-2007, 07:52 AM
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honestly, try radioshack, pepboys, and autozone. I got my switches between radioshack and pepboys. there are a lot of choices and you may be able to find what you are looking for.
Sorry to hear about your car, I have also been puting off the steering wheel mechanism (it is currently -10 degrees)
Sorry to hear about your car, I have also been puting off the steering wheel mechanism (it is currently -10 degrees)