Turbo, Gauge Questions
02-15-2008, 07:51 AM
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02-15-2008, 09:03 AM
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Naah a guy I know over at TTP Engineering turned me on to this product a few years back. Its a great set up. I have a bunch of gauges in my evo and honestly it clutters up the inside of the car. I went with a cleaner look when I got my ZT2.
02-15-2008, 09:50 AM
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It's only discussed in every single gauge thread, lol... Driving in this morning I've paid extra attention and the stock water temp gauge settles as soon as you reach 157*F then does not move at all. I have seen my car go to 210*F with the stock needle still in the same place.
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02-15-2008, 11:09 AM
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It's only discussed in every single gauge thread, lol... Driving in this morning I've paid extra attention and the stock water temp gauge settles as soon as you reach 157*F then does not move at all. I have seen my car go to 210*F with the stock needle still in the same place.
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Pretty much all modern OEM temp gauges do the same thing - and there is a reason for it . Aside from the extra room a proper gauge would take up , if there was a gauge that gave a true reading the average joe would keep complaining about how it was all over the place . I think you will find the needle WILL move before the motor gets to dangerously high temps - it is just that very few of us have ever had the motor that hot .
With regard to the oil press gauge - you have me intrigued about that . Are you sure there is not a pressure switch somewhere on the engine that just sends a on/off signal to the gauge ?
If you can imagine what an engineering design team would want of the OEM gauges you can see why they designed them the way they do .
design criteria
Water temp : OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is warmed up otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if the motor gets hot enough to blow up .
Oil pressure :OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is running otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if there is no oil pressure at all.
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02-15-2008, 12:00 PM
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I was meaning - how do you know the engine will blow before the guage moves ? How many cases do you know of where this has happened ?
Pretty much all modern OEM temp gauges do the same thing - and there is a reason for it . Aside from the extra room a proper gauge would take up , if there was a gauge that gave a true reading the average joe would keep complaining about how it was all over the place . I think you will find the needle WILL move before the motor gets to dangerously high temps - it is just that very few of us have ever had the motor that hot .
With regard to the oil press gauge - you have me intrigued about that . Are you sure there is not a pressure switch somewhere on the engine that just sends a on/off signal to the gauge ?
If you can imagine what an engineering design team would want of the OEM gauges you can see why they designed them the way they do .
design criteria
Water temp : OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is warmed up otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if the motor gets hot enough to blow up .
Oil pressure :OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is running otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if there is no oil pressure at all.
Pretty much all modern OEM temp gauges do the same thing - and there is a reason for it . Aside from the extra room a proper gauge would take up , if there was a gauge that gave a true reading the average joe would keep complaining about how it was all over the place . I think you will find the needle WILL move before the motor gets to dangerously high temps - it is just that very few of us have ever had the motor that hot .
With regard to the oil press gauge - you have me intrigued about that . Are you sure there is not a pressure switch somewhere on the engine that just sends a on/off signal to the gauge ?
If you can imagine what an engineering design team would want of the OEM gauges you can see why they designed them the way they do .
design criteria
Water temp : OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is warmed up otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if the motor gets hot enough to blow up .
Oil pressure :OK people we need a gauge that fits this little area here and for f**ks sake make it so that it just stays in one position once the engine is running otherwise there will be panic amongst the masses . Just make sure the bloody thing warns people if there is no oil pressure at all.
For the oil pressure - funny thing is, my gauge DOES move around, seemingly at random. There was a thread somewhere here on trying to make the OEM gauge into a real functional gauge...
02-15-2008, 02:10 PM
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Good points on the water temp. I'm not sure what temperature it starts to move at exactly but I have heard several people say that by the time it moves you're running way too hot. Maybe MM can comment on this, IIRC one of this rebuilds was due to overheating.
For the oil pressure - funny thing is, my gauge DOES move around, seemingly at random. There was a thread somewhere here on trying to make the OEM gauge into a real functional gauge...
For the oil pressure - funny thing is, my gauge DOES move around, seemingly at random. There was a thread somewhere here on trying to make the OEM gauge into a real functional gauge...
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02-15-2008, 06:03 PM
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But I've never really gone above 220 on the street or autox. So unless you plan on hammering it for a while on the track you could probably get away with no temp gauge.
02-15-2008, 07:22 PM
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with the stock water pump, I saw 219 on an agressive canyon run. Stock needle hadn't moved at all.
02-15-2008, 07:30 PM
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Maybe - just maybe - Mazda did a bit of R&D on this ......
02-15-2008, 07:37 PM
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I wasn't worried about the temps, just pointing out that the OEM gauge isn't very quick to react to temp changes.
Needle does not move at all (on my car) from 155 degrees to 220. At best I'd call it "semi-functional"
Needle does not move at all (on my car) from 155 degrees to 220. At best I'd call it "semi-functional"
a good temp gauge is really good insurance...
02-16-2008, 02:12 PM
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I'll snap his neck.
The fans don't come on until 214 F on the water temp? Mine come on lower than this, at least according to the scangauge readings.
03-15-2008, 03:41 AM
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I guess Im going with the RB ashtray kit for $450 but would like to put the aem boost/controller & the aem afr in the a-pillar..Ive been searching on here all night and google..and cant find any a-pillar pods for the 8 besides the carbontrix for $250. Does anyone even make a 2pod for the a-pillar on the 8 ?
03-15-2008, 08:50 PM
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I guess Im going with the RB ashtray kit for $450 but would like to put the aem boost/controller & the aem afr in the a-pillar..Ive been searching on here all night and google..and cant find any a-pillar pods for the 8 besides the carbontrix for $250. Does anyone even make a 2pod for the a-pillar on the 8 ?
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