RX8 Programmer by Harrison R&D
02-20-2008, 10:04 PM
#27
1) Put on some overalls.
2) Hang out at your local dealership
3) Wait for someone to buy a RX-8
4) Pretend you work there, and offer to assist them by calibrating their PCM.
5) Download!
02-20-2008, 10:20 PM
#29
RX-8s Official Cool Guy
the price point is certainly very attractive
02-21-2008, 12:22 AM
#32
http://www.mazdatechinfo.com/home/ecmDetail.asp
This is the thread where we were working on the ecu details.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/cracking-ecu-81801/page3/
02-21-2008, 01:36 AM
#33
Power!!
This seems to have done what most of the tuners have stumbled over and that is downloading, saving, and uploading. It seems like folks that have tuning software have just been waiting for this piece to fall in to place, ala kane, MM etc.
02-21-2008, 02:05 AM
#34
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02-21-2008, 02:12 AM
#36
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https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=18
those #s are important.. duh..
buy what do i know.. i got no answer
beers
02-21-2008, 02:15 AM
#37
that is what i said in this post..
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=18
those #s are important.. duh..
buy what do i know.. i got no answer
beers
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=18
those #s are important.. duh..
buy what do i know.. i got no answer
beers
10 Hymee points for the first to know what it says.
Cheers,
Hymee.
02-21-2008, 05:59 AM
#39
Just to let you guys know, we have emailed RB twice with an offer to protect their tune from being copied by our tool, at $0.00 cost to them, but no one ever responded to our emails. As stated on the RX8 Programmer web page, protecting others pro tunes is a concern to us, and if at all possible, we will work with other tuners to protect their work.
Dan
Dan
The tool seems to allow anyone to grab anyone’s work and put it on another car. That is a real shame as it removes incentive to do more work on the RX-8.
With respect to protection, why does the world need to "register" with H R&D to keep their work from being lifted? Who builds tools that allow people to lift other's work product?
02-21-2008, 08:06 AM
#41
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Hymee.
And that isn't hex, that is ASCII.
02-21-2008, 12:43 PM
#44
He's as bad as Can
The tape recorder, VCR, Camcorder Camera, Tivo, copy machines, CD Burning tools, marcovison cracking tools, peer to peer networks, download sites (rapidshare.com) Or to put it another way " Tools don't hack, hackers hack".
Last edited by expo1; 02-21-2008 at 12:45 PM.
02-21-2008, 12:50 PM
#45
He's not building a "stealing tool", this is just how the firmware works. His tool simply pulls the current programming from the PCM and allows the user to modify and push it back. There is already a security measure in place by Mazda that all reflahers are bypassing.
What Dan proposed is to work with others who have flashes out and come up with a way to block the ability to pull flashes that are from those sources. He didn't have to do this, but he's taking the extra step.
02-21-2008, 12:56 PM
#46
No means yes
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This reminds me of the big guy's tshirt from Happy Gilmore.. 
Anyway..
I would like to extend that by saying "hackers hack, and it's a good thing"... Regardless of what the media would like you to believe, hackers aren't a breed of malicious basement-dwelling trolls.. There really isn't much that can be done to "hide" the maps that the flash companies release. However, they are cheap enough that most people would probably get them from RB anyway rather than risk killing your car with some map you found online, no?
Anyway..I would like to extend that by saying "hackers hack, and it's a good thing"... Regardless of what the media would like you to believe, hackers aren't a breed of malicious basement-dwelling trolls.. There really isn't much that can be done to "hide" the maps that the flash companies release. However, they are cheap enough that most people would probably get them from RB anyway rather than risk killing your car with some map you found online, no?
02-21-2008, 01:30 PM
#48
I do not know this for sure, but I would think that Cobb, Hymee or EFIDude would not permit a user to pull a file from a PCM and put it on another car. If you do this, you are facilitating the theft of someone else's work.
The above mentioned tuning sources do not require you to contact them to protect their property. They protect that property because it is the right thing to do, not because you called them and asked all nice like. Only H R&D says call me if you do not want to be ripped off.
02-21-2008, 01:35 PM
#49
Okay. Instead of getting into circular logic with you on this topic, let me try to ask you a question: How would you like for Dan to prevent "theft" of flashes made by others? How would Dan know that a given file contains modifications by racing beat or cobb? Unless the resulting maps from these products include some sort of signature that lets them be identified, there is no way to tell a map racing beat created from one I generated.
02-21-2008, 01:57 PM
#50
Okay. Instead of getting into circular logic with you on this topic, let me try to ask you a question: How would you like for Dan to prevent "theft" of flashes made by others? How would Dan know that a given file contains modifications by racing beat or cobb? Unless the resulting maps from these products include some sort of signature that lets them be identified, there is no way to tell a map racing beat created from one I generated.
Most of the tuners I have seen do fetch data from the PCM. You can then use the tuning tool company's software to edit that data and push it back on the PCM. Any data is encrypted as the tuning tool company does not want to distribute the map data that they spent a lot of time generating. In addition, the tools are usually locked to a VIN or VINs as well. All of these elements are barriers to moving one tuner's property from one car to another without paying him for his product. These barriers are the responsible way to make money without enabling theft.
Harrison came by the seed/key stuff and added it to his scan tool. He does not encrypt files pulled from PCMs and thus he does not take the precautions of a Cobb, Hymee or EFIDude to protect a tuner's property.
Is it the tuner's fault that H R&D does not have an editing package or any map knowledge? Why should the tuner be open to being ripped off out of no fault of his own? Why should the tuner, like Jim M, be forced to give H R&D a call to keep from being ripped off?
Some people think it is ok to move files from one car to another. Some do not. All I was trying to point out is the H R&D is doing something that no other tuning company that I know of (and I do not know them all) will permit to happen. I thought it was good to know.
We can talk more if you would like to PM as I am not sure anyone would be interested in the gory details.