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09-19-2008, 10:11 PM
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Again there is enough people intrested in the parts, the team assembled expects 3 crate motors, the car, materials and all included we can spend roughly 120k.
As for the rotors, yes, but if you play off some really intresting side angle tricks you don't have to touch them to drop it a point.
Otherwise it is worth it to me.
As for the rotors, yes, but if you play off some really intresting side angle tricks you don't have to touch them to drop it a point.
Otherwise it is worth it to me.
09-19-2008, 10:16 PM
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Again there is enough people intrested in the parts, the team assembled expects 3 crate motors, the car, materials and all included we can spend roughly 120k.
As for the rotors, yes, but if you play off some really intresting side angle tricks you don't have to touch them to drop it a point.
Otherwise it is worth it to me.
As for the rotors, yes, but if you play off some really intresting side angle tricks you don't have to touch them to drop it a point.
Otherwise it is worth it to me.
sure.. good job.
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09-19-2008, 10:17 PM
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09-20-2008, 01:23 PM
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This was amusing for a while, but it's time to stop feeding the trolls methinks.
Ravenforbidden, if you're not really a troll then maybe you should use a good chunk of that $120,000 to buy a clue before doing anything else.
09-20-2008, 01:32 PM
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you've got a budget of $120k?!
09-20-2008, 10:23 PM
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Your not reading the "guys", "people" and such very well, it's not just me, I'm putting in the car, possibly the Turbo components. Other members of the brotherhood are intrested in the same type of Rotary as myself, we have currently 5 RX-7's that run 11's on Pump Gas, no one in the group feels the RX-7 is really as glamourous as it's newer cousin to "storm the gates of hell" with, so we're moving onto the newer untouched scene.
And I'm still getting money enough to run my stang thru Outlaw Class by next summer... Probably only going to do local classes though, military obligations are going to be a hitch...
And I'm still getting money enough to run my stang thru Outlaw Class by next summer... Probably only going to do local classes though, military obligations are going to be a hitch...
10-31-2008, 12:48 AM
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Well we got some spy work on the 20X motor and we're looking to go further, stealing from the newer motor when it's released we plan to take the fuel system from it and apply it to our 22F style motor. We'll be just barely able to make it worth streeting, it'd be low fuel economy, like a range of 12-19mpg, but boost and power will be on target.
Now to just get our hands on the new motors... Rotors with Carbon Fiber Apex Seals will overtake the heating issue, we've covered what needs to be done, it's trial and error for greatest reliability in the design we want now.
What's really intresting is you want me to swap in a different motor to make this work?
Well the 2V Mustang guys (96-04 GT's) will tell you just like I'm saying, pioneering something worth a damn with what it came with is better in everyway than a swap.
I don't think the Renesis we're putting together is going to hide very well, but it well take a fair amount of rotary knowledge to know the difference which is all that matters to the KZR team right now, popping a hood and getting a decent mark to line up is all we want the motor to acheive. A bigger stock motor is worth it's cost!
Now to just get our hands on the new motors... Rotors with Carbon Fiber Apex Seals will overtake the heating issue, we've covered what needs to be done, it's trial and error for greatest reliability in the design we want now.
What's really intresting is you want me to swap in a different motor to make this work?
Well the 2V Mustang guys (96-04 GT's) will tell you just like I'm saying, pioneering something worth a damn with what it came with is better in everyway than a swap.
I don't think the Renesis we're putting together is going to hide very well, but it well take a fair amount of rotary knowledge to know the difference which is all that matters to the KZR team right now, popping a hood and getting a decent mark to line up is all we want the motor to acheive. A bigger stock motor is worth it's cost!
10-31-2008, 03:35 AM
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11-02-2008, 05:26 PM
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The Renesis is not a failure of a motor, it's underdeveloped, and like anyone with any motor, it takes only alittle bit of effort to start fixing factory issues.
I don't really care if you think the RX-8 is a track only car, or drift too, I see the strip in it, and I'ma hunt down a 8sec RX-8 powered by a modified base powerplant, just like all the Muscle Cars, and some of the better JDM builds.
There is a limit to how fast a car goes, and when a 1.3L puts down the same power my Factory 5.0 HO came with in 89 with no bolt on's? Well I was intrested to say the least. Will it ever thump out the 347's 1,643hp? No I think not, but 600+ sounds feesable with reliability. Any car on the market that is huge in the aftermarket was not made with that craze, it was made into it!
I don't really care if you think the RX-8 is a track only car, or drift too, I see the strip in it, and I'ma hunt down a 8sec RX-8 powered by a modified base powerplant, just like all the Muscle Cars, and some of the better JDM builds.
There is a limit to how fast a car goes, and when a 1.3L puts down the same power my Factory 5.0 HO came with in 89 with no bolt on's? Well I was intrested to say the least. Will it ever thump out the 347's 1,643hp? No I think not, but 600+ sounds feesable with reliability. Any car on the market that is huge in the aftermarket was not made with that craze, it was made into it!
11-02-2008, 05:32 PM
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who needs 1600hp? if i had enough money to reach just 600hp... i would spend them on the chassis anyway limiting the engine well below 400hp.
What muscle car owners don't understand is that it isn't about raw power, it is about handling.
What muscle car owners don't understand is that it isn't about raw power, it is about handling.
11-03-2008, 01:24 PM
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And there are several Mustang's just like mine that use that 1600hp in full track courses often with DOT legal tires, look at NASA (the race association not space), the American IRON is a class specificly built for it. And I promise you'll never see my Mustang lose to something like an RX-8, I could completely fall off the track spin a couple doughnuts for kicks and get back on track and still win ahead over a minute elapsed. Muscle car's only need talented driver's to be brutal machines, having extra power is nothing more than an insurance the guy right beside you is not going to win.
11-03-2008, 04:52 PM
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man keep us up to date--even if the goal is not obtained--you can learn a lot on the way to it.
i remember when they said the engine would never run cool enough and now enduros are running at 140F.
if you have been around cars as long and to the degree you post then you probably have some idea of what is ahead of ya.
Carbon fiber seals---why? ceramics would be better lube.did i understand that you can play with the rotor angles enough to lose 1 point of compression?
Please explain how?
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i remember when they said the engine would never run cool enough and now enduros are running at 140F.
if you have been around cars as long and to the degree you post then you probably have some idea of what is ahead of ya.
Carbon fiber seals---why? ceramics would be better lube.did i understand that you can play with the rotor angles enough to lose 1 point of compression?
Please explain how?
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11-05-2008, 02:07 PM
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Well right now it's a waiting game, the new direct injection system on the 20X will be mandantory to see the F-22 off the ground, otherwise it'd be a horrible option with under 8mpg. We'd like to have some decent mileage and lose mpg on a upper half of boost where we'll see racing action. If we're to use the new housing or not we havn't come to grounds with, our spy only had so much to give us.
Otherwise it'll be pretty sweet when the project comes to head.
We chose Carbon Fiber over ceramics for it's durability and flexibility, it's not certain at this point if ceramics would work well or not, it's worth looking into.
All I can say is I love the car, and I feel just like my brother felt when he got his first 2V 96 Mustang, a real gutless mustang... Potential high, initial low...
Otherwise it'll be pretty sweet when the project comes to head.
We chose Carbon Fiber over ceramics for it's durability and flexibility, it's not certain at this point if ceramics would work well or not, it's worth looking into.
All I can say is I love the car, and I feel just like my brother felt when he got his first 2V 96 Mustang, a real gutless mustang... Potential high, initial low...
11-05-2008, 02:12 PM
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Well right now it's a waiting game, the new direct injection system on the 20X will be mandantory to see the F-22 off the ground, otherwise it'd be a horrible option with under 8mpg. We'd like to have some decent mileage and lose mpg on a upper half of boost where we'll see racing action. If we're to use the new housing or not we havn't come to grounds with, our spy only had so much to give us.
Otherwise it'll be pretty sweet when the project comes to head.
We chose Carbon Fiber over ceramics for it's durability and flexibility, it's not certain at this point if ceramics would work well or not, it's worth looking into.
All I can say is I love the car, and I feel just like my brother felt when he got his first 2V 96 Mustang, a real gutless mustang... Potential high, initial low...
Otherwise it'll be pretty sweet when the project comes to head.
We chose Carbon Fiber over ceramics for it's durability and flexibility, it's not certain at this point if ceramics would work well or not, it's worth looking into.
All I can say is I love the car, and I feel just like my brother felt when he got his first 2V 96 Mustang, a real gutless mustang... Potential high, initial low...
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11-05-2008, 02:56 PM
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I don't know that I've seen so much misinformation in a single thread before. Bravo.
I was going enumerate all of the things mentioned here that are incorrect, or just don't make any sense whatsoever, but it would take way too long. A couple of things: I assume when you say "carbon fiber" apex seals, that what you mean to say is carbon apex seals. Even so, that has nothing to do with heat as mentioned. Also, you mentioned how you were opposed to doing an engine swap but apparently are happy to drop a 20X in when it comes out? And just to clear something up, no, you cannot use the rotor housings from the 20X with the rest of your parts from a renesis.
I was going enumerate all of the things mentioned here that are incorrect, or just don't make any sense whatsoever, but it would take way too long. A couple of things: I assume when you say "carbon fiber" apex seals, that what you mean to say is carbon apex seals. Even so, that has nothing to do with heat as mentioned. Also, you mentioned how you were opposed to doing an engine swap but apparently are happy to drop a 20X in when it comes out? And just to clear something up, no, you cannot use the rotor housings from the 20X with the rest of your parts from a renesis.
11-05-2008, 03:18 PM
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.......... the new direct injection system on the 20X will be mandantory to see the F-22 off the ground, otherwise it'd be a horrible option with under 8mpg. We'd like to have some decent mileage and lose mpg on a upper half of boost where we'll see racing action.......... .
What has mileage got to do with a race car??
(....and you still haven't answered my question about lowering the compression ratio..........)
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What has mileage got to do with a race car??
(....and you still haven't answered my question about lowering the compression ratio..........)
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11-05-2008, 09:14 PM
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I'm calling shens on everything....How bout some dyno sheets for the fox bod along side pictures of it and mod list. If not, gtfo troll.
O and obviously everything out of this tools mouth is bs. Why has this thread gone on for this long?
O and obviously everything out of this tools mouth is bs. Why has this thread gone on for this long?
11-06-2008, 11:29 AM
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LMAO will do in bout five six months? If I'm lucky that'll be bout the time I get to my boxed up stuff, if not it'll be 9months with certain training, vacation, and transferring over of the goods what not, and I work alot of the day so finding a camera is out because I plain don't want to showoff the dyno right now.
But I will humour you when the mustang is refitted again, it's in pieces right now, the dyno would be kinda hard to do with the front end off of it, and I need to find a chassis dyno that'll handle the power, not alot of tuner's I've found will take the risk for when my bad little girl jumps to power, they're kinda hellashish, I've seen my car break straps off before while on dyno for the Turbo kit.
But I will humour you when the mustang is refitted again, it's in pieces right now, the dyno would be kinda hard to do with the front end off of it, and I need to find a chassis dyno that'll handle the power, not alot of tuner's I've found will take the risk for when my bad little girl jumps to power, they're kinda hellashish, I've seen my car break straps off before while on dyno for the Turbo kit.