Has anyone tried the Tornado Fuel Saver?
02-29-2004, 07:03 AM
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Has anyone tried the Tornado Fuel Saver?
With everybody complaining about poor gas mileage has anyone tried using the Tornado fuel Saver? Just wondering, please let me know if are using or have used and what your results are.
02-29-2004, 10:18 AM
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Anyone who has ever done a proper dyno test on a vehicle with before/after runs for the Tornado has ALWAYS found that they either made no power or lost power.
They're just an intake restriction, and the swirly air theory is pure BS. From an engineering standpoint instead of a marketing hype standpoint, they're completely useless, bogus, and fraudulent.
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They're just an intake restriction, and the swirly air theory is pure BS. From an engineering standpoint instead of a marketing hype standpoint, they're completely useless, bogus, and fraudulent.
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02-29-2004, 10:24 AM
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Hey Gord,
Completely off subject, but I noticed you are 44 and also drive an Audi Quatro. Me too,hmmm. I'm the 245(fat) snow tire 8 driver.
Remember,
Jimbo
Completely off subject, but I noticed you are 44 and also drive an Audi Quatro. Me too,hmmm. I'm the 245(fat) snow tire 8 driver.
Remember,
Jimbo
03-02-2004, 02:29 PM
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Ok you are wrong, the car was on the dyno with and with out and yes it made around 10 whp more than stock and I was present at Peter Farrel Super cars So if you have not seen it on a dyno or have had a bad experience with the Tornado with another vehicle then I can trully say you don't know what you are talking about. Bye the way show me your dyno results with and with out the tornado, in fact I will give you mine for testing then you will see the difference.
03-02-2004, 03:09 PM
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Yep, DontBeARikki put on a Tornado and did get improved power.
People promised(threatened?) to do their own investigation to determine why, but nobody has that I've seen. The best guesses (that I remember) were that it fooled the air sensors into thinking there was a bit LESS air, so they gave less gas - accidentally providing a benefit of thinning out the mixture.
People promised(threatened?) to do their own investigation to determine why, but nobody has that I've seen. The best guesses (that I remember) were that it fooled the air sensors into thinking there was a bit LESS air, so they gave less gas - accidentally providing a benefit of thinning out the mixture.
03-02-2004, 05:11 PM
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Several people decided to roder them at one time and where going to report back and never did. We have had 2 people that I know of put one in and both claimed to feel more power but there where no dyno's done. Nothing much ever came of it afterwards. I am skeptical about it, but am willing to change my mind if I see a back to back dyno done with one
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On their website, they have a little disclaimer which says the average is 1-2 mpg, though on the RX-8 that might be nice, as it drains the fuel pretty quickly.
Anyone tried any exhaust kits that have produced measureable differences in MPG?
Anyone tried any exhaust kits that have produced measureable differences in MPG?
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03-04-2004, 12:11 PM
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Do you have a dyno test with the Tornado on with Engine RPM on the X axis? could you post that if possible. It is more difficult to compare the power curve with two different x axis. Or dow you have a graph with the two overlaid on top of each other? A 10 whp max gain is very impressive.
03-04-2004, 02:26 PM
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well I have to go mess with it tonite. This was on the old CPU dyno jet but I know I have another set of dynos with and with out tornado both haveing a mid pipe I think it was 198 and the other was 190 or so.
03-05-2004, 12:38 PM
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Didn't you then put on a catback or intake or something and have detonation issues? I remember something like that but I'm too lazy to search for the original thread. However, that did seem to support the theory that the power gains could be due to the Tornado messing with the air seen by the MAF sensor, causing a leaner mixture. I'm not going to dispute the dyno results, but I certainly don't believe you're getting power gains because the device is acting as designed. There have been plenty of other reports using different cars that showed no appreciable difference. That said...even if its an accidental gain, its a pretty cool find (assuming you don't get into trouble with a leaner mixture).
I wonder if there's any impact to this from the new ECU program that's available...it reportedly leaned out the midrange.
jds
I wonder if there's any impact to this from the new ECU program that's available...it reportedly leaned out the midrange.
jds
03-05-2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by bureau13
Didn't you then put on a catback or intake or something and have detonation issues? I remember something like that but I'm too lazy to search for the original thread. However, that did seem to support the theory that the power gains could be due to the Tornado messing with the air seen by the MAF sensor, causing a leaner mixture. I'm not going to dispute the dyno results, but I certainly don't believe you're getting power gains because the device is acting as designed. There have been plenty of other reports using different cars that showed no appreciable difference. That said...even if its an accidental gain, its a pretty cool find (assuming you don't get into trouble with a leaner mixture).
I wonder if there's any impact to this from the new ECU program that's available...it reportedly leaned out the midrange.
jds
Didn't you then put on a catback or intake or something and have detonation issues? I remember something like that but I'm too lazy to search for the original thread. However, that did seem to support the theory that the power gains could be due to the Tornado messing with the air seen by the MAF sensor, causing a leaner mixture. I'm not going to dispute the dyno results, but I certainly don't believe you're getting power gains because the device is acting as designed. There have been plenty of other reports using different cars that showed no appreciable difference. That said...even if its an accidental gain, its a pretty cool find (assuming you don't get into trouble with a leaner mixture).
I wonder if there's any impact to this from the new ECU program that's available...it reportedly leaned out the midrange.
jds
03-05-2004, 02:22 PM
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yyyyeah, so you could use something which hinders airflow to fool the computer to make a little more power, or you could get something (say like Maniac's E-Manage solution, or Canzoomer's all-in-one unit) to tune the A/F ratios and ignition timing to better suit performance and make even more gain...
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The good thing about the Tornado, that Broke_Apex_Seal is suggesting, is that it is a small investment and he doesn't have any reason to promote the thing. If it works great, even if it is an accident. The problems I have are the issues he reported last year with other mods not working well with the Tornado. Say you are happy as a couple of clams with just the Tornado installed, doing its job fooling the MAF, 10 extra HP, no troubles. You get a new flash, lets just say to "L", and every melts at 3750 rpm. You get a new air intake, every things melts at 5129 rpm. Damn, hard for us average Joes to risk melt downs.
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Originally posted by islandsoon
The good thing about the Tornado, that Broke_Apex_Seal is suggesting, is that it is a small investment and he doesn't have any reason to promote the thing. If it works great, even if it is an accident. The problems I have are the issues he reported last year with other mods not working well with the Tornado. Say you are happy as a couple of clams with just the Tornado installed, doing its job fooling the MAF, 10 extra HP, no troubles. You get a new flash, lets just say to "L", and every melts at 3750 rpm. You get a new air intake, every things melts at 5129 rpm. Damn, hard for us average Joes to risk melt downs.
Tom
The good thing about the Tornado, that Broke_Apex_Seal is suggesting, is that it is a small investment and he doesn't have any reason to promote the thing. If it works great, even if it is an accident. The problems I have are the issues he reported last year with other mods not working well with the Tornado. Say you are happy as a couple of clams with just the Tornado installed, doing its job fooling the MAF, 10 extra HP, no troubles. You get a new flash, lets just say to "L", and every melts at 3750 rpm. You get a new air intake, every things melts at 5129 rpm. Damn, hard for us average Joes to risk melt downs.
Tom
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Originally posted by wakeech
yyyyeah, so you could use something which hinders airflow to fool the computer to make a little more power, or you could get something (say like Maniac's E-Manage solution, or Canzoomer's all-in-one unit) to tune the A/F ratios and ignition timing to better suit performance and make even more gain...
yyyyeah, so you could use something which hinders airflow to fool the computer to make a little more power, or you could get something (say like Maniac's E-Manage solution, or Canzoomer's all-in-one unit) to tune the A/F ratios and ignition timing to better suit performance and make even more gain...
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