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LoL No man I was just wondering why his cat isn't covered if it is under 60k. Ajax this is where you chime in and tell us more info about your car.
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What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.
Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.
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I am at 58.5k miles right now.
What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.
Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.
What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.
Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.
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I don't believe the extended warranty covers this as it only covers defects relating to the engine itself.
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Eh, I dunno. It's only really bad when it's cold and I romp on it.
I have the money right now so I'm not really complaining. I just cant figure out which one to buy. The turbo XS is a full header back exhaust for $100 more and I can hook up the race pipe after the once a year inspection I have to do.. of course it's ungodly loud and the tips are hideous, but i figured I could have them cut off and have something else put on in their place.
Seems like an awful lot of work just to have to replace a cat really or have a nice exhaust....
i dunno.. it's not going anywhere and the car still has bumper surgery that it needs from the idiot who hit me.
I have the money right now so I'm not really complaining. I just cant figure out which one to buy. The turbo XS is a full header back exhaust for $100 more and I can hook up the race pipe after the once a year inspection I have to do.. of course it's ungodly loud and the tips are hideous, but i figured I could have them cut off and have something else put on in their place.
Seems like an awful lot of work just to have to replace a cat really or have a nice exhaust....
i dunno.. it's not going anywhere and the car still has bumper surgery that it needs from the idiot who hit me.
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Tha cat warranty is mandated by federal regs and it is FAR longer than a simple 60K. More like 100K/10 years, IIRC. Depends on the model year. The feds will make sure there is no argument on it UNLESS it can clearly be shown that an illegal aftermarket mod was the cause for the cat failure.
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E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:
1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.
When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:
1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.
1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.
When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:
1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.
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no they cannot refuse to replace a Cat while it is under the Federal Emissions 8yr/80k umbrella
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without any emissions related cel connecting those to the cat failure there is no way they can refuse on those grounds.
i hear you that youd rather move on. ive had occasions where it just wasnt worth the time. i just wouldnt in this case.
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What Should I Do If My First Attempt to Obtain Warranty Coverage Is
Denied?
If your first attempt to receive emissions warranty coverage is
denied, you should do the following:
1) Ask for a detailed explanation, in writing as to why emissions
warranty coverage was denied; and
2) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) involved in the decision
to deny coverage, including anyone from the manufacturer's
regional or zone office; and
3) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) with the manufacturer you
should contact to appeal the denial of coverage under the
emissions warranty.
4) Contact and, if necessary, write to the person mentioned above
requesting coverage and giving the basis for your request. Repeat
and continue the appeal process until you are satisfied or have
exhausted all means of appeal.
Denied?
If your first attempt to receive emissions warranty coverage is
denied, you should do the following:
1) Ask for a detailed explanation, in writing as to why emissions
warranty coverage was denied; and
2) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) involved in the decision
to deny coverage, including anyone from the manufacturer's
regional or zone office; and
3) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) with the manufacturer you
should contact to appeal the denial of coverage under the
emissions warranty.
4) Contact and, if necessary, write to the person mentioned above
requesting coverage and giving the basis for your request. Repeat
and continue the appeal process until you are satisfied or have
exhausted all means of appeal.
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Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.
Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.
Your engine went out.
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.
Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.
Your engine went out.
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Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.
Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.
Your engine went out.
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.
Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.
Your engine went out.
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Issue Resolved!
So after a brief conversation with the general manager explaining things, particularly the effect a properly installed CAI and non-OEM plugs would have on a cat, and showing him the smog emissions report done at his shop with those items installed 2,000 miles before failure, they have agree to cover the cat!
Life is good once again.
Life is good once again.
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